The Supression of Fear.

[Tin Pot]

Most "talks" involve some kind of CBT or existential therapy which can be just as powerful as medicine with far fewer (i.e. no) side effects. I'm a big fan of talking therapies.

Computer Based Training? Existential?

Talking can help with "unpicking the elements, recognising them, accepting them and then deciding to do something", as long as it doesn't lead to too much introspection.

However, I stop short of exhaling therapy as a solution or cure or suchlike because it is entirely, objectively unmeasurable. Plus there are too many people out there who leave their families or hate their parents because of a thought path a therapist encouraged them down.


Ps I had a winkie next to my jibe at Freudian psychotherapy.

 

[Hitchington]

Computer Based Training? Existential?

Talking can help with "unpicking the elements, recognising them, accepting them and then deciding to do something", as long as it doesn't lead to too much introspection.

However, I stop short of exhaling therapy as a solution or cure or suchlike because it is entirely, objectively unmeasurable. Plus there are too many people out there who leave their families or hate their parents because of a thought path a therapist encouraged them down.


Ps I had a winkie next to my jibe at Freudian psychotherapy.

CBT - Cognitive Behaviour Therapy - particularly useful for anxiety

 

[Tin Pot]

[QUOTE 3881155, member: 9609"]We can certainly suppress or exaggerate natural fears, but I do think we are hard wired to be wary / feared of some. I know someone who has a ridiculous phobia with bees and wasps, these are little creatures that display natures warning colours of "I'm dangerous keep away" So it is natural to be wary of them, if you get into a panic when you see one then I guess something extra has occurred to set up a phobia. I am naturally feared of bees etc, i know they pose risks, but under the correct circumstance I would handle them.

[/QUOTE]

Hmm, I tend to agree but there's something in it I'm not comfortable with.

Hard wiring - a genetic code that defines your level of fear towards bees.

I can see our biology defining our capacity for fear, but linking that response to specific things we perceive is surely learned.

There may be certain stimuli that always link to the panic button, but that would have to be fairly generic for it to be encoded in DNA - IMO. Heights or sudden movement for example.

I understand phobias to be neurological situations where the wrong stimuli is linked to the panic centres.

 

[Tin Pot]

CBT - Cognitive Behaviour Therapy - particularly useful for anxiety

Oh right of course. Been in IT too long.

 

[albion]

[QUOTE 3880658, member: 76"]Lots of people with anxiety have a tendency to catastrophise situations, get some counselling it will really help.

As for fear, personally I think you can only defeat fear by experience and training. I watched the programme, it's a rehash of SAS-Are you tough enough. The SEALS are right though, get used to what scares you and it won't scare you anymore. Simple.[/QUOTE]

Mindful Meditation.....

When I had sleeping breathing problems stress levels correspondingly rose, much like my youth when I had same.
I could only attribute exercise in the period when things were more level,then attaining very good mindfulness too.

It turned out that I have an inflammatory react to standard bacteria in the house(supposedly its normal to have 9000 varieties in the home). Controlling that(mainly via the humidity level), I'm breathing again and back to being more level headed.

Being the scientific type, I'm now 100% certain that humans often put words/thoughts to stress, when in fact it is bacterial invasion/makeup. Its interesting in that logically, many therapies will thus only succeed in transfering those thoughts onto something else. Or when they 100% work, it is some environmental change(eg house move) that really did it, the thought being just remnants of our autonomous nature.

Needs must, if I had not felt close to death, I doubt I would have come up with my 100% proof.

It also leaves me curious, how much does the millions of bacteria come into play for abnormal stress disorders,
most of the stuff out there in the psychiatry world based on a belief system?
There is little in the NHS for the cause(doctors just administer the system, a dodgy one at times), instead they seem to rely on long term sedation via drugs. Sometimes exercise is a stress prescription, this obviously creating a robustness and/or removal from the causal area.

 

[Tin Pot]

When I had sleeping breathing problems stress levels correspondingly rose, much like my youth when I had same.
I could only attribute exercise in the period when things were more level,then attaining very good mindfulness too.

It turned out that I have an inflammatory react to standard bacteria in the house(supposedly its normal to have 9000 varieties in the home). Controlling that(mainly via the humidity level), I'm breathing again and back to being more level headed.

Being the scientific type, I'm now 100% certain that humans often put words/thoughts to stress, when in fact it is bacterial invasion/makeup. Its interesting in that logically, many therapies will thus only succeed in transfering those thoughts onto something else. Or when they 100% work, it is some environmental change(eg house move) that really did it, the thought being just remnants of our autonomous nature.

Needs must, if I had not felt close to death, I doubt I would have come up with my 100% proof.

It also leaves me curious, how much does the millions of bacteria come into play for abnormal stress disorders,
most of the stuff out there in the psychiatry world based on a belief system?
There is little in the NHS for the cause(doctors just administer the system, a dodgy one at times), instead they seem to rely on long term sedation via drugs. Sometimes exercise is a stress prescription, this obviously creating a robustness and/or removal from the causal area.

So antibiotics could be a cure for neurosis/psychosis? I'm pretty sure they'dve tried that.

I'd agree that infection can affect temperament, and vice versa,

Under stress I have had infections flare up, that otherwise my immune system had under control.

But I can't see it being the underlying cause of the kind of problems we're talking about.

 

[ayceejay]

Fear is a necessary part of our survival and is instinctual. When out on the bike and a car is heading towards you, your reaction is not filtered through a thinking process (will it hit me, how much will it hurt? etc) we can sense danger and get out of the way.
Anxiety is connected to the nervous system. If you have to give a speech in public you will probably have 'butterflies' in your stomach that will pass as soon as you start to speak. If you have this feeling all the time for no apparent reason this is a nervous disorder.

 

[albion]

So antibiotics could be a cure for neurosis/psychosis? I'm pretty sure they'dve tried that...

I would think it more an inflammatory issue, so have no idea if it would work. Anyway I was explaining one cause, not the nations cause.

Funnily enough they are already transplanting human faeces to introduce good bacteria. There, wrong bacteria causes many things.

 

[albion]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...gut-bacteria-transplant-new-treatment-anxiety
See what I mean, and what a quick Google found. I only thought it applied to IBS.

My personal conclusions were just a side thing on the reality of fixing my breathing. I can now fine tune personal stress levels, though a windy humid day is a law unto itself.

 

[albion]

Reading that it seems we are 90% bacteria so maybe I have a gene missing that allows bad bacteria to prosper.

With medicine being a system, they are not finding, they are probably as much being told by patients who had to find it all out for themselves.

 

[albion]

And read thise comments. Most look genuine and match my own observation, not that I was even looking for any stress fix, I simply wanted to wake up alive the next day.

Antibiotics did work for one commenter. There is the usual clever spam in the comments too, a mixed bag.

 

[albion]

The stuff on faecal transplants was the interesting stuff, not what you chose to quote.
Obviously for a large inbalance probiotic yogurt is likely to be close to useless.

I was getting at that it cant be just me with allergies. It is immaterial, but I'm 99% certain I solved the cause of my asthma too, even if some stuff still puzzles me.
The puzzle is why did I only became asthmatic again in the severest stage, where I had to sleep at 30 degrees to breath?

 

[ColinJ]

[QUOTE 3881155, member: 9609"]We can certainly suppress or exaggerate natural fears, but I do think we are hard wired to be wary / feared of some. I know someone who has a ridiculous phobia with bees and wasps, these are little creatures that display natures warning colours of "I'm dangerous keep away" So it is natural to be wary of them, if you get into a panic when you see one then I guess something extra has occurred to set up a phobia. [/QUOTE]
I had a big problem with wasps until I was well into my twenties and I know exactly where the phobia came from. When I was about 5 years old, I discovered a wasp nest in our back garden. I didn't realise that the interesting black and yellow flying things wouldn't like me poking their home with a big stick ...

15 seconds and 20 or 30 stings later, I developed an intense wasp phobia!

PS Where have all the wasps gone? There used to be hundreds of the things about every summer when I was growing up and I would get stung several times most years. I have only seen dead wasps this year.

 

[Accy cyclist]

I had a big problem with wasps until I was well into my twenties and I know exactly where the phobia came from. When I was about 5 years old, I discovered a wasp nest in our back garden. I didn't realise that the interesting black and yellow flying things wouldn't like me poking their home with a big stick ...

15 seconds and 20 or 30 stings later, I developed an intense wasp phobia!

PS Where have all the wasps gone? There used to be hundreds of the things about every summer when I was growing up and I would get stung several times most years. I have only seen dead wasps this year.

Now that you've mentioned it i've seen about 4 wasps this year. As someone who climbs ladders and goes near house guttering and wall cracks and holes for a living, i've had many stand still and they wont harm you moments, but none this.year. Although they're a pain, i kind of miss them.

 

[Tin Pot]

I had a severe needle injection phobia since being injected in the buttock aged 7 when i had to have my tonsils removed. It lasted for 40 years wh


Now that you've mentioned it i've seen about 4 wasps this year. As someone who climbs ladders and goes near house guttering and wall cracks and holes for a living, i've had many stand still and they wont harm you moments, but none this.year. Although they're a pain, i kind of miss them.

You can frickin' have 'em!

Wasps made a misery of several lunches this summer as usual, and one harangued me in the rain just yesterday, which is fairly rare.

Don't worry, the evil wasps have not gone away. Sadly.