The yawning gulf between cyclists and non-cyclists.

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I own a cycling blog at www.ianbrettcooper.blogspot.com There, you can see more of my opinions, if you want to figure out whether I'm being honest here. I think you'll find they illustrate that what I've written here reflects my true beliefs. My two posts on 'Bike to Work Day' probably best illustrate points I've been making here.

I don't think you're a troll.

Your opinions just happen to be expressed quite strongly and without much area for compromise.
I don't agree with the stronger stuff you say (cars being the vehicle of the devil etc) as my experience is not so.
But what's the point of having a forum without opinions? At least you have the strength of conviction to say things that some will react strongly to.
I'd rather have a robust discussion than sit here complimenting the green of someone's Bianchi.

Anyway, since when do us Yorkshiremen sit quietly by like blushing violets! :smile:
 

Mugshot

Cracking a solo.
I own a cycling blog at www.ianbrettcooper.blogspot.com There, you can see more of my opinions, if you want to figure out whether I'm being honest here. I think you'll find they illustrate that what I've written here reflects my true beliefs. My two posts on 'Bike to Work Day' probably best illustrate points I've been making here.
Thank you Ian, I shall certainly have a read :smile:
 

Linford

Guest
And when it comes to living close to work, no one's forcing anyone to buy a house - there are many rentals very close to workplaces. I just finished renting in a house close to downtown - stayed there for 2 1/2 years - finally found a house for sale at a reasonable price and where I needed it to be. Anyway, I live in the US, where it is mostly true that all car drivers are obese yobbos and yobettes with a vast sense of entitlement and/or a lot more money than sense. Maybe that's not so much the case in the UK, but my opinions surely apply to many - perhaps most - drivers there too. I'm not suggesting everyone meets my characterization, but too many do.

The dynamic of the american workforce is much more so than that of the UK If I take my mates word for it (he owns 5 houses in Ohio which he rents out)

They rent and are much more happy to up sticks and move where the work is. Properties are also much more spread out over there than the UK and also the weather suffers more extremes than here, so people will use cars to both buy time in the commute, and not get to work dripping with sweat or frozen to the bars.
 

Matthew_T

"Young and Ex-whippet"
There was a lad on my college course who was from Afganistan. For his 18th birthday, he parents sent him £5,000 for the party.He was never in the lectures more than 3 consecutive times though and apparenlty his visa ran out just a while ago and he was deported?
 

Mugshot

Cracking a solo.
There was a lad on my college course who was from Afganistan. For his 18th birthday, he parents sent him £5,000 for the party.He was never in the lectures more than 3 consecutive times though and apparenlty his visa ran out just a while ago and he was deported?
Did he cycle?
 

RhythMick

Über Member
Location
Barnsley
Anyway, getting back to the OP's post, I think there are two yawning gulfs - one between cyclists and non-cyclists and another between cyclists and motorists who own a bike. After all, many motorists occasionally cycle and therefore believe themselves to be cyclists. These are the same sorts of folks as those people who volunteer to pick up trash in the park for two hours and suddenly think they're environmentalists.

Oh dear I was so close to agreeing with at least what I think is the sentiment behind your post, even if the rhetoric got carried away a bit.

I probably don't cycle as much as you, but I'll carry on calling myself a cyclist if that's ok. And I pick up trash regularly, mine and other people's, when I'm out with my dog or just on walks. You seem to think that's something to sneer at. Should we publish league tables ? How much trash do you pick ? How much do you create in the first place? How much do you recycle, or better reuse ?

My point is that's a negative and self-defeating argument. People should always feel better about the contributions they make, the trick is motivating people to use less and clear up more.

Oh dear I fell into my own rhetoric ...
 

Pat "5mph"

A kilogrammicaly challenged woman
Moderator
Location
Glasgow
A bit different, but apparently in Italy hardly anyone actually owns their own house, everything is rented. That'll be why half of Italy looks like a dump then..... :laugh:



I'll get me coat and run before Pat sees this.

Ha ha! Just saw this, read the whole thread too (sad person I am!)
Yes, ime in Italy most housing is rented.
Uncle Mort has seen statistics to the contrary, may well be, I suspect there are strong regional variations.
Yes, most of the place is a dump :rolleyes: otherwise why would I be living in the uk? ^_^
Yes, if I was to cycle to work in the wee dump where I hailed, they would call me crazy.
Once, I went for a walk, on my return my family said "why did you not take the car?" :wacko:
Then again, a friend that lives in the Milano area cycles everywhere, so do her friends. Nobody thinks this weird.
I come from a small village near Rome, she lives up north: again, I think regional/cultural variations are the key.
I do not have any opinions about the "cycling gulf", I do whatever suits me, can't afford a car, hate driving anyway.
Now that I know how to, I would cycle in the village. I am confident enough not to care about people thinking I'm wacko: being a foreigner (here and abroad too) I am expected to act a bit crazy anyway.
I think young people today are admirable in choosing to cycle, while most of their peers want a car asp.
But I would recommend the young cyclist to learn how to drive: you might miss opportunities if you don't.
Ciao!
 

Pat "5mph"

A kilogrammicaly challenged woman
Moderator
Location
Glasgow
Ask Pat. I think it has just been a traditionally poor country, particularly in the south.
I don't think that's the reason. I think the reason lies in the banking system - in Italy it's not as straight forward as here to get a mortgage.
Maybe I should say "as it was here to get a mortgage", things have changed.
Note that if you are able to get finance, for various reasons the deal is better than here in the UK.
Another reason for happily renting, is that a lot of property is owned by property management companies, not individual people. This companies charge reasonable rent, keep their properties in good condition, and, most important, will never give you notice, one can live in the same rented flat for life.
 
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