Threat of violence this a.m. - not sure how to react

[CopperCyclist]

Eh? We are not talking about this. No one has mentioned about making a situation more serious or suggesting that cyclists should ride around D-locking people that annoy them until the copper above implied it with his ridiculous scenario of having a D-lock mounted on the bicycle handle bars ready with the intention of using it on some one.

I implied nothing, said ridiculous scenario wasn't mine.

Some public order offences there and serious anger management issues. I know it might of little consolation to you now, but this guy is probably all hot air. If you are still worried carry a D-lock that you can easily use if any situation did unfold.

TBH, I have considered carrying my D lock on my handlebars just in case it did kick off, but s'pose in a way that's letting the nutters win.

And I repeat, carrying a weapon, improvised or otherwise, for self defence = possession of offensive weapon.

Anyway, leaving this thread now. It's turning from advice and friendly words to a decent member of public threatened by a scumbag, to something entirely different.

 

[MarkF]

IMO the OP has nothing to worry about, it's "normal" for me to have a ding dong with a driver every night, the real nutters just "do it" they don't threaten to to it.

EthelF, it is an upsetting experience but try and put it behind you, he doesn't know where to find you and he will have more pressing trivial things to do than follow anything up.

 

[scouserinlondon]

I implied nothing, said ridiculous scenario wasn't mine.






And I repeat, carrying a weapon, improvised or otherwise, for self defence = possession of offensive weapon.

Anyway, leaving this thread now. It's turning from advice and friendly words to a decent member of public threatened by a scumbag, to something entirely different.

For the record. I have never and will never carry a weapon on my bike. Said shotgun is purely ceremonial, and imaginary.

 

[Crankarm]

I implied nothing, said ridiculous scenario wasn't mine.






And I repeat, carrying a weapon, improvised or otherwise, for self defence = possession of offensive weapon.

Anyway, leaving this thread now. It's turning from advice and friendly words to a decent member of public threatened by a scumbag, to something entirely different.

Post #31

Possible off topic warning here, but I'll bite! If you specifically place the D-Lock on your handlebars knowing that you will use it as a weapon to defend yourself if necessary, then you are guilty of possessing an offensive weapon. It's different if in the heat of the moment when threatened you arm yourself with something that you hadn't previously considered using as a weapon. Yes I know it's tricky to prove - unless the police dredge up a forum post or something

Perhaps you and your colleagues should spend time catching the nutters ie the guy who has deliberately harassed and driven at the cyclist and then threatened to use a base ball bat on them, rather than admitting to us that he probably will never be traced.

One could be forgiven for thinking you were generating some more negative image for you lot by trolling a cycling forum suggesting those victims of road rage who have serious threats of violence made against them and if these threats were indeed carried out would be in trouble for trying to defend themselves. And you wonder why some are reluctant to report incidents to you lot or assist you when you are met with a response like this.

I carry, or used to carry, a D-lock on my rear rack, as suprisingly a lock, to lock my bike, not as you seem to be suggesting as a weapon.

 

[Crankarm]

For the record. I have never and will never carry a weapon on my bike. Said shotgun is purely ceremonial, and imaginary.

 

[400bhp]

Post #31



Perhaps you and your colleagues should spend time catching the nutters ie the guy who has deliberately harassed and driven at the cyclist and then threatened to use a base ball bat on them, rather than admitting to us that he probably will never be traced.

One could be forgiven for thinking you were generating some more negative image for you lot by trolling a cycling forum suggesting those victims of road rage who have serious threats of violence made against them and if these threats were indeed carried out would be in trouble for trying to defend themselves. And you wonder why some are reluctant to report incidents to you lot or assist you when you are met with a response like this.

I carry, or used to carry, a D-lock on my rear rack, as suprisingly a lock, to lock my bike, not as you seem to be suggesting as a weapon.

Do you read the Daily Mail?

 

[Bman]

Post #31



Perhaps you and your colleagues should spend time catching the nutters ie the guy who has deliberately harassed and driven at the cyclist and then threatened to use a base ball bat on them, rather than admitting to us that he probably will never be traced.

One could be forgiven for thinking you were generating some more negative image for you lot by trolling a cycling forum suggesting those victims of road rage who have serious threats of violence made against them and if these threats were indeed carried out would be in trouble for trying to defend themselves. And you wonder why some are reluctant to report incidents to you lot or assist you when you are met with a response like this.

I carry, or used to carry, a D-lock on my rear rack, as suprisingly a lock, to lock my bike, not as you seem to be suggesting as a weapon.

Cranky...

Hes not being paid to be on here to give advice. He's (I assume) giving up his spare time to be on a forum because he cycles. He offerd advice based on his experiance being a copper. Do you expect him to do unpaid overtime when hes not at work?

The comment you quoted looks to me like a friendly warning from someone who knows about these things, that carrying a D-lock to be used as a weapon, is illegal. Hard to proove, but still illegal. So if you do (carry a d-lock purely for defence) dont shout about it on a public forum.

If I started to give advice about IT (computers) and was treated like you have treated him, I'd be pretty pissed off....

 

[Crankarm]

Do you read the Daily Mail?

No, but you probably do.

 

[Crankarm]

Cranky...

Hes not being paid to be on here to give advice. He's (I assume) giving up his spare time to be on a forum because he cycles. He offerd advice based on his experiance being a copper. Do you expect him to do unpaid overtime when hes not at work?

The comment you quoted looks to me like a friendly warning from someone who knows about these things, that carrying a D-lock to be used as a weapon, is illegal. Hard to proove, but still illegal. So if you do (carry a d-lock purely for defence) dont shout about it on a public forum.

Which I don't or didn't.

maybe I read it wrong, but friendly warning !

Possible off topic warning here, but I'll bite! If you specifically place the D-Lock on your handlebars knowing that you will use it as a weapon to defend yourself if necessary, then you are guilty of possessing an offensive weapon. It's different if in the heat of the moment when threatened you arm yourself with something that you hadn't previously considered using as a weapon. Yes I know it's tricky to prove - unless the police dredge up a forum post or something

If I started to give advice about IT (computers) and was treated like you have treated him, I'd be pretty pissed off....

Treated him like what exactly? The guy has come on here, substantially changed the scenario that has been put forward then suggested those who have a D-lock mounted on handlebars with the intention of D-locking some one would be held to carrying an offensive weapon. No one suggested this be an option not least me.

Since you haven't read properly all of what's been writ or any of what I wrote, in particular my post just above, I reproduce it for you again here:

I carry, or used to carry, a D-lock on my rear rack, as suprisingly a lock, to lock my bike, not as has been suggested as a weapon.

 

[Jezston]

Post #31



Perhaps you and your colleagues should spend time catching the nutters ie the guy who has deliberately harassed and driven at the cyclist and then threatened to use a base ball bat on them, rather than admitting to us that he probably will never be traced.

One could be forgiven for thinking you were generating some more negative image for you lot by trolling a cycling forum suggesting those victims of road rage who have serious threats of violence made against them and if these threats were indeed carried out would be in trouble for trying to defend themselves. And you wonder why some are reluctant to report incidents to you lot or assist you when you are met with a response like this.

I carry, or used to carry, a D-lock on my rear rack, as suprisingly a lock, to lock my bike, not as you seem to be suggesting as a weapon.

That's not the impression I got.

But then your view of the world does seem to be somewhat skewed towards believing everyone is out to get you. Do you ride your bike any more?

It will be difficult to put this in a way that doesn't come across as offensive, but it isn't my intention - unless your persona on this forum is nothing like you IRL and it's just a way of exorcising whatever negative feelings you've been developing - I would really recommend talking to a specialist.

 

[Mad at urage]

Treated him like what exactly? The guy has come on here, substantially changed the scenario that has been put forward then suggested those who have a D-lock mounted on handlebars with the intention of D-locking some one would be held to carrying an offensive weapon. No one suggested this be an option not least me.

Since you haven't read properly all of what's been writ or any of what I wrote, in particular my post just above, I reproduce it for you again here:

No, he didn't.

TBH, I have considered carrying my D lock on my handlebars just in case it did kick off, but s'pose in a way that's letting the nutters win.

Scouser brought up the idea of carrying a D lock "just in case it did kick off" and the copper warned that to do so was illegal. That was a friendly warning.

 

[stowie]

To the OP - I have had only a couple of incidents of real road-rage from drivers since starting to cycle, but one was really unpleasant (well, one was with a rather large black cab driver who I thought was going to explode Mr Creosote style so it wasn't really threatening).

I cycle the same routes regularly and have never seen them again. I would concur with other posters than people shouting about "baseball bats" and so on is simply bravado and I wouldn't be concerned. I know this is easier said than done...

I would, however, go to the police and report the incident to the school. If you haven't got the numberplate it makes life a little more difficult, but at the very least it raises awareness.

 

[Norm]

Perhaps you and your colleagues should spend time catching the nutters ie the guy who has deliberately harassed and driven at the cyclist and then threatened to use a base ball bat on them, rather than admitting to us that he probably will never be traced.

One could be forgiven for thinking you were generating some more negative image for you lot by trolling a cycling forum suggesting those victims of road rage who have serious threats of violence made against them and if these threats were indeed carried out would be in trouble for trying to defend themselves. And you wonder why some are reluctant to report incidents to you lot or assist you when you are met with a response like this.

I carry, or used to carry, a D-lock on my rear rack, as suprisingly a lock, to lock my bike, not as you seem to be suggesting as a weapon.

Crankarm, your comments about the police obviously comes from somewhere deep, but you really should read what was actually written before offering comment.

As you quoted yourself, CopperCyclist said "If you specifically place the D-Lock on your handlebars knowing that you will use it as a weapon to defend yourself if necessary, then you are guilty of possessing an offensive weapon."

There was nothing about anyone being nicked or whatever, just a basic point that someone who carries something that they intend to use as a weapon is guilty of possessing a weapon.

 

[Shaun]

Let's not start swinging D-locks at each other in here please, it'll only end in tears and a rush on packs of frozen peas for all the lumps and bumps. Keep it civil, eh!!

Thanks,
Shaun

 

[scouserinlondon]

Back to the OP, did you get to nursery okay today dude?