If that's the problem, put the tyre in a vice as close to the rim as possible and close the vice. I had to do this once because the rim tape was extra thick and high friction.
TLR tyres are so tight ....help please
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If that's the problem, put the tyre in a vice as close to the rim as possible and close the vice. I had to do this once because the rim tape was extra thick and high friction.
PaulSB
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- Chorley, Lancashire
This appears to perform exactly the same function as the Crank Brothers lever I linked. On the few occasions I've need this type of lever its been very useful.
A key feature of the Crank lever, for me, is the size and grip. The user can easily grip and control the lever meaning all one's effort goes into removing/installing the tyre.
One of the reasons I find the Tyre Glider pretty useless is that it's so small getting any sort of grip is impossible.
Do you have large hands ? I wear size 11 gloves and find the tyre glider easy to use. I found it so easy I carry one on each bike but if it breaks I’d look for the best I can get.
PaulSB
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- Chorley, Lancashire
No, quite the opposite. I have small hands and short fingers. I find holding the tyre Glider difficult. It's funny how we all have different experiences. I never leave home without my Crank Bros lever, my Glider is buried in a drawer somewhere! I would never rely on it.
SOME PROGRESS TO REPORT: yesterday, with ease, I un-installed and re-installed Conti GP5000s on wheels with conventional depth wheel of about 25mm. I was deflated this morning by failure to uninstall the aforementoned (please see my first post) Pirelli Zero from a 40mm deep FW; the deeper wheel rendered a Topeak Shuttle inoperable and I could not manage with other tools such as TyreKey and Tyre Monkey
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AlanW
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I have just purchased a pair of 30mm Pirelli P Zero Race TLR tyres to be fitted to my Hunt 40mm carbon wheels. Can I get them on, not a dam chance!
In fact I cannot even get the first half of the tyre bead on the rim, let alone the other half
I've never been beaten before, but these tyres are at whole new level ffs!
I've used my now vast selection of various installation tyre aids and all to no avail I'm afraid, including warming the tyres up, tyre soap, soapy water. In fact on Saturday my wife were sat opposite one another on the kitchen chairs, with the wheel on our laps, each holding/twisting/levering two Schwalbe tyre levers each, and still no good
Of course, it really doesn't help that the Hunt wheels have pretty much zero "well" in the centre of the rim in order to give the tyre a bit more wiggle room.
The tyres are not seated on another old pair of Mavic rims and fitted with inner tubes to try and get them to stretch before I try again.
In fact I cannot even get the first half of the tyre bead on the rim, let alone the other half
I've never been beaten before, but these tyres are at whole new level ffs! I've used my now vast selection of various installation tyre aids and all to no avail I'm afraid, including warming the tyres up, tyre soap, soapy water. In fact on Saturday my wife were sat opposite one another on the kitchen chairs, with the wheel on our laps, each holding/twisting/levering two Schwalbe tyre levers each, and still no good
Of course, it really doesn't help that the Hunt wheels have pretty much zero "well" in the centre of the rim in order to give the tyre a bit more wiggle room.
The tyres are not seated on another old pair of Mavic rims and fitted with inner tubes to try and get them to stretch before I try again.
Dogtrousers
Lefty tighty. Get it righty.
Some tyre/wheel combos are just bad news.
On my first ever Friday Night Ride to the Coast 13(?) years ago I turned up with a friend. My friend was riding his brother's bike and knew little about it. He punctured somewhere in East London and even the combined might of the Friday's Tail End Charlies, who can normally fix just about anything, couldn't get his tyre back on. He abandoned and got a taxi home.
To overcome the Famous Schwalbe's ™ Marathon ™ Plus ™ Problem ™ I used a shoe puller whose curvature I hammered open (= flattener) towards the rims, as to have pressure spreaded to avoid denting the alu of the rim or ripping off rubber/expose the steel wire.
If it doesn't hurt shoes and heels, then alu is safe, Nuff said.
Then, just like with shoes, in 1 go.
Stole the idea live from a dealer.
He put the wheel on the floor, I expected to watch a struggle, but 5 sec later he had it off - I didn't have the time to rip open the popcorn.
I went to stick my nose in it, saw his "tool", he saw my surprise and showed me a grin.
It's a problem of the past though, the tyres on my avatar bike are 62 mm Schwalbe SuperMotoX and I can get them off and back on with bare butt err mean bare hands.
If it doesn't hurt shoes and heels, then alu is safe, Nuff said.
Then, just like with shoes, in 1 go.
Stole the idea live from a dealer.
He put the wheel on the floor, I expected to watch a struggle, but 5 sec later he had it off - I didn't have the time to rip open the popcorn.
I went to stick my nose in it, saw his "tool", he saw my surprise and showed me a grin.
It's a problem of the past though, the tyres on my avatar bike are 62 mm Schwalbe SuperMotoX and I can get them off and back on with bare butt err mean bare hands.
joeegg
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I have just purchased a pair of 30mm Pirelli P Zero Race TLR tyres to be fitted to my Hunt 40mm carbon wheels. Can I get them on, not a dam chance!
In fact I cannot even get the first half of the tyre bead on the rim, let alone the other half
I've used my now vast selection of various installation tyre aids and all to no avail I'm afraid, including warming the tyres up, tyre soap, soapy water. In fact on Saturday my wife were sat opposite one another on the kitchen chairs, with the wheel on our laps, each holding/twisting/levering two Schwalbe tyre levers each, and still no good
Of course, it really doesn't help that the Hunt wheels have pretty much zero "well" in the centre of the rim in order to give the tyre a bit more wiggle room.
The tyres are not seated on another old pair of Mavic rims and fitted with inner tubes to try and get them to stretch before I try again.
The Schwalbe ones seated easily on my Hunt Carbon rims and inflated without a problem.
I did hang them from the ceiling in my garage with some weight on the bottom the day before though.
we never use levers to fit them at work, there is a knack to getting them on, they need to be manipulated in to the well of the rim and then they just slip on to the rim
To fit, yes, but it was about getting them off, that was the "Problem".
froze
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Usually once the tubeless tire is on the rim for while they become a bit easier to take off, not as easy as a tube type tire though.
You need to buy a set of extremely strong tire irons, the toughest ones I've found are the Lezyne Power XL levers; you also need to buy the KoolStop Tire Bead Jack.
Instead of banging away on the keyboard like a raped ape I found a video that explains how to do tough to remove tires. The first method he shows is the exact same way I do it! The second method I never tried, it seems interesting though.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCGf6eu4bw4&t=165s
By the way, you will run into trouble installing tubeless tire onto a rim as well, so this same guy has another video.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_c-HYbVh9U
As you watch that video on how to install a tough tire there is a problem that can pop not discussed in the video, and that is while you are trying to slide one side of the bead onto the rim the other side slides off the rim, frustrating as hell! What I do to prevent that is I bought a package of reuseable Zipties, these are about 1/4th of inch wide and 8 or so inches long. What you do with those zipties is to use one and put it around the tire and the rim, then cinch it tight so that the tire is being smashed against the rim; then take a second ziptie and do the same with it, but place it about an inch from the first one. What those will do will keep that bead from sliding off the rim while you put the other side on. Of course, having a bottle of soapy water is handy as well. Also first make sure you have covered the tube in baby powder this will help to slide the tube as well.
Cold tires will also be tougher to put on then warm tires.
You need to buy a set of extremely strong tire irons, the toughest ones I've found are the Lezyne Power XL levers; you also need to buy the KoolStop Tire Bead Jack.
Instead of banging away on the keyboard like a raped ape I found a video that explains how to do tough to remove tires. The first method he shows is the exact same way I do it! The second method I never tried, it seems interesting though.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCGf6eu4bw4&t=165s
By the way, you will run into trouble installing tubeless tire onto a rim as well, so this same guy has another video.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_c-HYbVh9U
As you watch that video on how to install a tough tire there is a problem that can pop not discussed in the video, and that is while you are trying to slide one side of the bead onto the rim the other side slides off the rim, frustrating as hell! What I do to prevent that is I bought a package of reuseable Zipties, these are about 1/4th of inch wide and 8 or so inches long. What you do with those zipties is to use one and put it around the tire and the rim, then cinch it tight so that the tire is being smashed against the rim; then take a second ziptie and do the same with it, but place it about an inch from the first one. What those will do will keep that bead from sliding off the rim while you put the other side on. Of course, having a bottle of soapy water is handy as well. Also first make sure you have covered the tube in baby powder this will help to slide the tube as well.
Cold tires will also be tougher to put on then warm tires.
If I read about all these methods, tricks, I can't help thinking about swimming in:
What remains of any benefits of certain kinds/brand/models tyres/rims, if it's such a hassle to perform just regular work on it?
I'd say such a con far outweighs any plus.
And instead go for alternatives that "work" without hassle, which I would tag the real "normal" situation/work:
What remains of any benefits of certain kinds/brand/models tyres/rims, if it's such a hassle to perform just regular work on it?
I'd say such a con far outweighs any plus.
And instead go for alternatives that "work" without hassle, which I would tag the real "normal" situation/work:
