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RebornBumbler

Senior Member
Location
Barnstaple
I was in Brighton for the first time a couple of weeks back. I was really impressed by the number of bikes until I saw the nobby selfish way far too many of them were being ridden.

Mainly a result of nurture rather than nature, I'd suggest (having lived there for quarter of a century).

Brighton is in many ways like London, but missing an entire cardinal point (no roads in South Brighton :smile: ) - it's either fast and furious or going-nowhere on the roads. Add-in a feeling amongst the locals that various Councils have over time all been more-or-less anti-car/taxi/motorist (probably not without cause) and you have an ideal recipe for a confrontational environment. It's really not a fun place to drive, and not cheap or easy to park.

As a cyclist, being forced into the gutter was relatively commonplace (generally deliberate, I reckon) and most regular commuter cyclists I knew had experienced multiple collisions with motor vehicles - usually involving written-off bikes and/or broken bones.

I barely rode at all in Brighton - choosing to walk or take buses (which are extremely-well catered-for) not merely because the roads were so dicey, but also because most useful cycle routes were shared with pedestrians: many of those were visitors - quite often foreign and/or inebriated. This made any forward progress halting, demanding and frustrating.

Not that any of this excuses individual bad behaviour.
 
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GrumpyGregry

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
I used to cycle in Brighton daily in the mid- late-80's. Not a cycle lane or piece of infrastructure in sight back then iirc. It was a feckin' war zone and St James' Street could only be tackled in a red mist. With a death wish. I once came into contact with three different cars between College Street and Lower Rock Gardens!

And if you must drive there is plenty of cheap parking, outside of office hours, if you know where to look. As in cheaper than da 'sham. The smart money gets the train and public transport; long live plusbus.
 

downfader

extimus uero philosophus
Location
'ampsheeeer
I was in Brighton for the first time a couple of weeks back. I was really impressed by the number of bikes until I saw the nobby selfish way far too many of them were being ridden.

Been to Brighton many a time. Really like it. However my experience (as a tourist/shopper on foot, not as a rider there) is that the cycle infra is appalling. It encourages conflict between visitors and cyclists, and should the cyclist divert to the road I have seen them punished for it by drivers who've angrily pointed at the cycle paths full of pedestrians and kids, and dogs off the leash.

Last year sticks in my mind of how a rider who I saw approach along the seafront going uphill towards the pier. I was stood chatting to family at the time and saw him already have to swerve around someone who'd ambled into the cycle path without looking and playing with a phone (given the number of people he didnt really have much of a room to ride into). Then as he approached the crossing point within about 20 feet of it this fat ol' bird and her mates dashed for the crossing right infront of him nearly having him off. He stopped, they shouted some abuse. He retaliated in frustration about how staying out of the cycle path might be a good idea. They threw a bottle and he rode away swearing.

All of that in a space of 20-30 seconds.

My feeling is the "arsey" riders are being engineered out there. Hopefully there might be a change in attitudes if their cycle campaign got a bit more organised. Doesnt excuse the pavement bobbers or the RLJs so much though.
 

shouldbeinbed

Rollin' along
Location
Manchester way
@downfader. TBH that sort of story is par for the course in Manchester too. P*** poor infrastructure, massive amounts of money poured into misguided grand schemes (hubs) while the roads remain as they were 20 odd years ago plus the odd splash of green paint or a formerly single use footpath with a white line painted up the middle of it, but I would not ever be the sort of entitled bully that I felt intimidated by as a pedestrian when already into mid crossing the road several times and swooping round pedestrianised bits. Maybe it is just there's so many more riders down there that it is more noticeable.
 

downfader

extimus uero philosophus
Location
'ampsheeeer
@downfader. TBH that sort of story is par for the course in Manchester too. P*** poor infrastructure, massive amounts of money poured into misguided grand schemes (hubs) while the roads remain as they were 20 odd years ago plus the odd splash of green paint or a formerly single use footpath with a white line painted up the middle of it, but I would not ever be the sort of entitled bully that I felt intimidated by as a pedestrian when already into mid crossing the road several times and swooping round pedestrianised bits. Maybe it is just there's so many more riders down there that it is more noticeable.

I think thats possibly it. It makes it stand out more. We have 2/3rds the cyclists here in Southampton compared to Brighton so I dont notice it as much here tbh.
 
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