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summerdays
Cycling in the sun
- Location
- Bristol
I doubt Vike would be allowed to post it on-line. What is the problem with filming someone on a mobile phone and getting them points on their licience. If they don't want the points it's easy enough to avoid isn't it.
Muddyfox
Guru
- Location
- Blackdown Hills Devon
Miss Summer .. Exeter has had a mobile camera vehicle for quite a while now its run by Exeter city council and i believe it can be used as evidence for police prosecutions, i do a school run into Exeter twice a day with the Taxi and i often see it parked up on the main route into the city watching what we're all up to and your quite right Plymouth city council have also just introduced one of these vehicles
Simon
Simon
Muddyfox
Guru
- Location
- Blackdown Hills Devon
magnatom said:
Magnatom ... reading this it might appear that local authorities have more rights to use this sort of surveillance than the Police ? perhaps Vike can shed some light on this ?
Simon
mr_cellophane
Legendary Member
- Location
- Essex
I love the motorbikers who post vids on youtube pointing outbad/illegal driving and then go straight into an ASL box.
They get upset when I point this out to them.
They get upset when I point this out to them.
There was a thread a year or so ago that attempted to debate the ethics of bike-cams. It stayed quite highbrow, but didn't last more than 4 or 5 pages. Better a tabloid-style rant.
For reference VDBP, many regular riders on this forum have found our motorised road user colleagues to be.......impatient. This wouldn't be so much of an issue if their impatience wasn't implicitly sanctioned by practice and custom. Not law you understand, but practice and custom. This extends to our law-makers, our opinion-formers in the the shape of the press and in many cases, our police force. The general attitude is - roads are for cars, if you choose to ride on them then you take your lumps. Lawful or not, riding a bike in the UK has become some form of 'original sin', worthy of blame in itself or at least contributory negligence.
This attitude is wrong. Morally wrong and wrong in law. I like to compare it with a supermarket queue. Imagine you're in a bit of a rush (aren't we all!) and there's an old dear in front of you. She's frail, like a small bird. In her basket you see some condensed milk and a copy of the People's Friend. This won't take long. But, she's trying to pay by card! She's put the card in the wrong way round!! She can't remember the PIN and now she's pressed cancel instead of enter. OK, OK she's paying by cash.........come on......what! You've got a tenner you old bag, pay with that!!!! What the f***, do you need to count out the exact money in 1p coins!??!?! Christ!!!!!!
We've all been there, but do you;
(a) Wait patiently. It's good to see the elderly retain their independence
( Mutter under your breath but accept that you're going to have to wait
(c) Punch the old lady to the floor, screaming "hurry up and f**** die, I want to get home for Hollyoaks!!!"
Do I need to work the analogy? I'm happy to admit to ( but I doubt most people would consider (c) as morally acceptable. But option (c) is exactly how some motorists treat the roads - as their own personal fiefdom where the strong triumph and the weak are punished simply because they're weak.
There are people on this forum who hate car drivers, but they're in the minority. Most will own and drive cars as well as riding a bike. Crazy world I know, but it's true. Drivers or not, many regular cyclists will have suffered potentially life-threatening treatment at the hands of a motorist without the driver being sanctioned, despite injuries and witnesses.
There are many ways of levelling the playing-field and using a cam is a particularly effective way of doing it. Unlike maggers, I don't use a camera for campaigning, but I do regard it as insurance against uneducated motorists' attitudes and police indifference.
For reference VDBP, many regular riders on this forum have found our motorised road user colleagues to be.......impatient. This wouldn't be so much of an issue if their impatience wasn't implicitly sanctioned by practice and custom. Not law you understand, but practice and custom. This extends to our law-makers, our opinion-formers in the the shape of the press and in many cases, our police force. The general attitude is - roads are for cars, if you choose to ride on them then you take your lumps. Lawful or not, riding a bike in the UK has become some form of 'original sin', worthy of blame in itself or at least contributory negligence.
This attitude is wrong. Morally wrong and wrong in law. I like to compare it with a supermarket queue. Imagine you're in a bit of a rush (aren't we all!) and there's an old dear in front of you. She's frail, like a small bird. In her basket you see some condensed milk and a copy of the People's Friend. This won't take long. But, she's trying to pay by card! She's put the card in the wrong way round!! She can't remember the PIN and now she's pressed cancel instead of enter. OK, OK she's paying by cash.........come on......what! You've got a tenner you old bag, pay with that!!!! What the f***, do you need to count out the exact money in 1p coins!??!?! Christ!!!!!!
We've all been there, but do you;
(a) Wait patiently. It's good to see the elderly retain their independence
(
Mutter under your breath but accept that you're going to have to wait(c) Punch the old lady to the floor, screaming "hurry up and f**** die, I want to get home for Hollyoaks!!!"
Do I need to work the analogy? I'm happy to admit to (
but I doubt most people would consider (c) as morally acceptable. But option (c) is exactly how some motorists treat the roads - as their own personal fiefdom where the strong triumph and the weak are punished simply because they're weak.There are people on this forum who hate car drivers, but they're in the minority. Most will own and drive cars as well as riding a bike. Crazy world I know, but it's true. Drivers or not, many regular cyclists will have suffered potentially life-threatening treatment at the hands of a motorist without the driver being sanctioned, despite injuries and witnesses.
There are many ways of levelling the playing-field and using a cam is a particularly effective way of doing it. Unlike maggers, I don't use a camera for campaigning, but I do regard it as insurance against uneducated motorists' attitudes and police indifference.
summerdays
Cycling in the sun
- Location
- Bristol
Jakes Dad said:
Do you think it has had any kind of knock on affect on behaviour (as opposed to just catching more people) if motorists think they are more likely to get caught. Do you think the vehicle is easy to spot? I must admit I assume it just drove around rather than parked up to catch motorists.
I'd love them to introduce one here.
BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
- Location
- South London
Just to put a bit more spanner in VirtualDBP's happy and skewed little dream world, quite a few of the camera users are petrolheads at heard, LOL!
BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
- Location
- South London
p.s. I saw a Bromley CCTV smart car up here in Biggin Hill recently, I'm not sure what they were doing. *Time to take a google*
Nice post Bollo. Was it wine induced...
VDBP, have a look through my videos. You will notice that, yes I post videos of car drivers doing naughty things. Notice though that I post cyclists doing naughty things, and shock horror, I even post myself doing naughty things (well, mistakes really....I'm never naughty....)
Calling us all sados etc doesn't help anyones cause. If you have some well reasoned thoughts/arguments etc, then please share them. I'm always interested in other peoples views.
VDBP, have a look through my videos. You will notice that, yes I post videos of car drivers doing naughty things. Notice though that I post cyclists doing naughty things, and shock horror, I even post myself doing naughty things (well, mistakes really....I'm never naughty....
)Calling us all sados etc doesn't help anyones cause. If you have some well reasoned thoughts/arguments etc, then please share them. I'm always interested in other peoples views.
jonny jeez
Legendary Member
- Location
- Chislehurst, Kent, UK
Virtual DBP said:
now, see I was kind of with you right up until this post when you suddenly started to make a potentially healthy and intelligent debate into a personal slagging match.
I am not a "helmet cam sado" although i ride (on bike and motor bike) with a helmet cam. I dont feel sad, in fact I was pretty happy today, until I read your post.
I don't subscribe to the "all four wheelers are evil' paradigm" as you will see from the limited videos that i do post to thank and congratulate drivers for there consideration (and to knock other cyclists for their lack of the same)
Shame, I was looking forward to debating how I agree about the ever growing voyeuristic nature of society and the removal of self responsibility that having a cam can sometimes induce...but no...I'm going to argue at your level
"My dad's bigger than your dad!!!! ner...ner"
happy now?
BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
- Location
- South London
Cameras cause "removal of self-responsibility"? I would have said they induce a little responsibility in both the other road users and the camera cyclist.
jonny jeez
Legendary Member
- Location
- Chislehurst, Kent, UK
BentMikey said:
"sometimes" induce..in the sence that..."I dont need to watch out for that errant cyclist, the camera will show that i acted within the word of the law...their mistake if they choose to undertake me at a left turn"
...see, back to healty and mature debate...my work here is done.