Too fast, poor forward planning and a collision

[magnatom]

Mmm. Your certainly below average....

Seriously though, genuine mistake, they happen. Everyone stopped to make sure everyone was ok. Everyone will probably take a lesson away and ride better next time.

 

[Origamist]

What you admitted was the first impressions I had anyway...

I would probably tuck in behind a cyclist than cycle at that speed esp as I know what my commute is like...Just done the Friday rush hour...

I don't tuck in behind cyclists on my commute unless I know them - they obscure my view.

i think you've assessed things correctly there. The fact that you overshot the ASL gives the idea you were too fast.

I can't help thinking that if any of the cyclists you passed at speed wobbled or moved right, things could have gone tits up in a big way?

I'm glad my commute isn't like that!

The clearance on most of those overtakes was 2-3 foot. It was the last guy who overtook without shoulder checking that was more like a foot or so when I passed him. The 170 degree lens really compresses things - if I stand in front of the camera I look very, very slim - nothing like the lumbering oaf that I am.

Blimey you are fast though.

I'm not that fast - I think the speed was around 25-27mph when I passed the final cyclist.

I sometimes watch the lights and predict when they might turn red and sometimes slow down if i think i won't make it.

Yep, I knew the phase was coming to an end, but I knew I could make it before red. The scooter rider caught me out - I'd guess only one in twenty would stop in a similar situation. I should have anticipated the phase change and the scooter rider's braking.

Your bars look cool, what are they?

TT/bull horn/base bars.

 

[Origamist]

Not sure what happened exactly there from the small video on my phone, but did you (and presumably the guy who hit the scooter) not see the lights (I could only see the one on the left which was obscured until you came close) or like the guy who just went on were you both planning on jumping the light and hot caught out by the scooter stopping?

I'd not be able to stop for the red without overshooting (as did the scooter rider), that's why I was going to go straight through. I also knew the other cyclist was only a few metres behind with his hands nowhere near the levers. I'd have made it through on amber, which would have been the right thing to do, but I was caught out by not spotting the hazard promptly enough.

Judging from that ride, I guess you must get used to filtering through 'that London' at speed...not always best idea :-)

I always thought three feet 3 inches was a bit close to pass a cyclist

I do ride too fast for the conditions, from time to time. This morning was a good example of poor judgement. Although, I was pleased to wipe off that amount of speed and avoid a collision.

None of those overtake were 3 inches - that's the camera angle.

The guy he overtook with his hands on the tops and not on the hoods. I suspect that has something to do with the crash.

Yes, that's him - he ploughed into the back of the scooter rider. You can hear it on the film. I checked they were both OK and the scooter rider was remarkably sanguine about it.
Frame grab: http://www.flickr.co...N00/4955269814/

Mmm. Your certainly below average....

Seriously though, genuine mistake, they happen. Everyone stopped to make sure everyone was ok. Everyone will probably take a lesson away and ride better next time.

I've made similar mistakes in the past and will most likely continue to do so. I'm a repeat offender.

 

[hackbike 666]

Ok I will call it drafting...I drafted two old farts tonight all the way from god knows where to Stratford...Then the realisation dawned on me when they left me for dead on the Bow Flyover that they were probably club riders...

I'm not that fast - I think the speed was around 25-27mph.

Fast to me pal and you overtook everyone there.

I have bullhorn bars but the brake handles aren't in that position but more in a courier like position.

 

[HLaB]

Its one of the reasons I like the Hybrid in town its pretty hard to get it plus 23mph on the flat because I fear I too would be guilty of going to fast for the conditions if I was on a roadbike

 

[Jezston]

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I can't really see what you done wrong. Your OP imo should be more directed to the cyclist who went into the bad of the ped. You overshot the ASL, that's about it I reckon.
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He should have been arrested for that outfit before he even left the house, then none of this would have happened.

 

[Tynan]

Should the moped have been in the ASL? If not I suppose someone following might say that having crossed the stop line they expected them to carry on

that vid reflects good on no-one really does it

Overtaking someone overtaking is a bit poor, you should be able to anticipate that from seeing tham catching up with someone, casual observation, not patronising

that superhighway looked awfully congested

 

[Origamist]

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I can't really see what you done wrong. Your OP imo should be more directed to the cyclist who went into the bad of the ped. You overshot the ASL, that's about it I reckon.
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I was just getting into a rhythm of passing people and wasn't paying enough attention, that's about it.

You're right though, the young cyclist who collided with the scooter rider needs better hazard perception and bike handling skills (that said, I missed her left leg by an inch or two and was very close to the kerb when making the gap). What you can't see is that I was controlling the bike at the limit of its braking, with the rear wheel was off the ground for a few metres...

 

[Trevrev]

Bloodyhell! all them cyclists in one clip. I never see that many in a week!

 

[400bhp]

Did any of them actually help or in the least say something?

Or was it the typical London attitude?

 

[KennyGray]

Thank god i dont commute in London wouldnt do that. Hats off to you guys and girls that do that day in day out...

 

[Origamist]

Overtaking someone overtaking is a bit poor, you should be able to anticipate that from seeing tham catching up with someone, casual observation, not patronising

that superhighway looked awfully congested

I saw that he was overtaking and moved to the right - the delay was because I took the time to shoulder check...That said, that bus lane is around 3 to 3.5 metres wide which is at the limit of riding three abreast...

It's getting busier each year - I'll need to ride slower and more defensively.

 

[Tynan]

Good lord no Origamist, never ever slower! if necessary find another route too dangerous for the plodders

 

[Norm]

Good speed, although I wouldn't overtake someone who is overtaking that's probably because, this week, I have only passed 3 cyclists and had one pass me.

The legal view is that it's the person behind who is at fault, something I think you realise already, but I think the scooter chick was a bit keen to stop. If you look at the vid at 22 seconds, the light is still amber but she has stopped with a foot down and in the ASL.

 

[Origamist]

Did any of them actually help or in the least say something?

Or was it the typical London attitude?

Thee scooter rider was more worried about her wing-mirror and the young cyclist was OK but embarrassed - he also checked the scooter rider was OK. I felt a bit stupid, but also strangely pleased with myself for avoiding an avoidable incident (if you know what I mean).

Anyway, enough hand-wringing for one night.