mididoctors
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Milan looking over his shoulder for the rest Day
Tour de France 2025 (CONTAINS SPOILERS!)
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mididoctors
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GC boys up front
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Coming back together
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Quinn Simmon
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Rattling off the Kms
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Axel has another go to bridge ....ain't happening
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So, my charitable interpretation of Visma's tactics earlier...
With Jonas and half the peloton caught behind, Wout, Campy and Jorgenson were still active trying to get in the break, while Pog was ostensibly trying to slow things down. Jonas had powerhouse rouleurs Simon Visma Yates and Sepp "steamroller" Kuss with him trying to pull back the best part of a minute to the front group.
Now obviously the date of this stage has been checked on Wout's calendar since the route was published, and he's been given the green light to attack it - with Campy and Jorgenson to help. That's fine really, you can't take Wout to the Tour and not give him his own chances, and most years he'll pay back in spades. But what to do with Jonas caught behind?
I think (charitably!) that Visma may have reasoned that with half the peloton behind the break could get away pretty quickly with all three Visma in it, as there would have been very little control. At that point everything would have come back together and all would be well again. But Pog really didn't want to let Jorgenson go, for whatever reason (quite entertaining, there's some soap opera building there) so it took a lot longer than it should have. At some point there's probably some "sunk cost" fallacy creeping in (we've started so we'll finish), but who knows.
It cost Jonas a match or two, but I don't think they panicked (could maybe have rotated the chase a bit better with e.g. RedBull and Decathlon AG2R), so hopefully all's well that ends well.
With Jonas and half the peloton caught behind, Wout, Campy and Jorgenson were still active trying to get in the break, while Pog was ostensibly trying to slow things down. Jonas had powerhouse rouleurs Simon Visma Yates and Sepp "steamroller" Kuss with him trying to pull back the best part of a minute to the front group.
Now obviously the date of this stage has been checked on Wout's calendar since the route was published, and he's been given the green light to attack it - with Campy and Jorgenson to help. That's fine really, you can't take Wout to the Tour and not give him his own chances, and most years he'll pay back in spades. But what to do with Jonas caught behind?
I think (charitably!) that Visma may have reasoned that with half the peloton behind the break could get away pretty quickly with all three Visma in it, as there would have been very little control. At that point everything would have come back together and all would be well again. But Pog really didn't want to let Jorgenson go, for whatever reason (quite entertaining, there's some soap opera building there) so it took a lot longer than it should have. At some point there's probably some "sunk cost" fallacy creeping in (we've started so we'll finish), but who knows.
It cost Jonas a match or two, but I don't think they panicked (could maybe have rotated the chase a bit better with e.g. RedBull and Decathlon AG2R), so hopefully all's well that ends well.
No Ta Doctor
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He's kept his trap shut recently, but I don't think anyone's forgotten. I see references to it on BlueSky quite frequently
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Carlos and Axel slipped into the move ...and O'Connor.,.top 10 GC action
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Have you followed any of the cycling packs/lists?
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Peer pressure is a force for acceptable behaviour
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Onley trying to.move
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Graphic is wrong
