Tour de France 2025 (CONTAINS SPOILERS!)

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rich p

ridiculous old lush
Location
Brighton
Much as I love Pog's racing and aggression, I'm warming to Vingo's quiet dignity and mildly irritated by Pog's whingeing about Visma's tactics.

I know it's not a popularity contest but I'd like Tadej to win with more Geraint Thomas than Lance Armstrong style.

I guess me being a generous hearted bloke is part of the reason I never made it to the top in pro sports...
...that and the lack of ability, maybe, on reflection.
 

Dorset Boy

Well-Known Member
MvdP out of the Tour with pneumonia.
That'll hurt as it is 60 years since his grandad won on Ventoux
 

Dorset Boy

Well-Known Member
Much as I love Pog's racing and aggression, I'm warming to Vingo's quiet dignity and mildly irritated by Pog's whingeing about Visma's tactics.

I know it's not a popularity contest but I'd like Tadej to win with more Geraint Thomas than Lance Armstrong style.

I guess me being a generous hearted bloke is part of the reason I never made it to the top in pro sports...
...that and the lack of ability, maybe, on reflection.

I think Pogi has been right to have a dig at VLAB's dirty tactics around the feed zones.
 

mrushton

Regular
Much as I love Pog's racing and aggression, I'm warming to Vingo's quiet dignity and mildly irritated by Pog's whingeing about Visma's tactics.

I know it's not a popularity contest but I'd like Tadej to win with more Geraint Thomas than Lance Armstrong style.

I guess me being a generous hearted bloke is part of the reason I never made it to the top in pro sports...
...that and the lack of ability, maybe, on reflection.

If quiet dignity is sitting behind Pog day after day, climb after climb with a 10 second effort then I'll take Pog. Jonas would be the all out winner if Pog wasnt there and would have as much time or more on the rest of the field and I'm sure would be more outgoing if he was winning.
 

Adam4868

Legendary Member
Much as I love Pog's racing and aggression, I'm warming to Vingo's quiet dignity and mildly irritated by Pog's whingeing about Visma's tactics.

I know it's not a popularity contest but I'd like Tadej to win with more Geraint Thomas than Lance Armstrong style.

I guess me being a generous hearted bloke is part of the reason I never made it to the top in pro sports...
...that and the lack of ability, maybe, on reflection.
Nah love a bit of tension..besides I think most of it is bollox stirred up by the media.
Plus who else gonna moan now Remcos gone !
 
Any idea of roughly what time they expect to get to Bedoin?

I think the estimate is around 14:55/15:00 ish UK time.
 

T4tomo

Legendary Member
I cant see the ITV highlights having much more than a 30 second intro, quick shot of the Inter sprint and then starting coverage around Bedoin or maybe the turn off into the forest...
 

No Ta Doctor

Über Member
Nah love a bit of tension..besides I think most of it is bollox stirred up by the media.
Plus who else gonna moan now Remcos gone !

Oh I actually think a lot of it is genuine.

The podcast Pollitt was on where he talked about a blacklist on the fridge - riders that wouldn't be allowed to win/get in a break. Pretty clear that Van Aert and Jorgenson especially are on it. I'm told Eenkhoorn confirmed he talked to Van Aert about it on Avondetappe (Dutch TV). When Jonas (and every other GC rider) is caught behind he has the DS very publicly tell him to slow it, and he does a bit of arm waving in the full knowledge the race for the break is on, then carries on chasing Jorgenson down so the break takes ages to get away - and with Wellens in it! Then he does the "weird Visma tactics, Jonas should be pissed off" interview just to try and cause some Visma tension and have Jonas answering soap-opera questions on the rest day. Van Aert is right that Pog could have just sat up and dropped back and the problem was solved immediately - the break would have gone away with no dangerous GC riders in it and everyone could chill.

Incidentally, before the break split up Wellens didn't take a pull - sat there saying he had Pog behind him, then attacks. Some might say that's canny racing, others might be a bit put out by it. I'm not sure it won him a lot of friends.

So at the end of the day, Pog got his teammate into a break that he won from after doing little work, protected his teammate by not letting Visma get Jorgenson into the break, kept Jonas chasing to get back and sowed the seeds of another Visma tactics/team cohesion media shitstorm but still gets to come out of it with everyone sniffing his @rse and saying it smells of roses :laugh:
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
Oh I actually think a lot of it is genuine.

The podcast Pollitt was on where he talked about a blacklist on the fridge - riders that wouldn't be allowed to win/get in a break. Pretty clear that Van Aert and Jorgenson especially are on it. I'm told Eenkhoorn confirmed he talked to Van Aert about it on Avondetappe (Dutch TV). When Jonas (and every other GC rider) is caught behind he has the DS very publicly tell him to slow it, and he does a bit of arm waving in the full knowledge the race for the break is on, then carries on chasing Jorgenson down so the break takes ages to get away - and with Wellens in it! Then he does the "weird Visma tactics, Jonas should be pissed off" interview just to try and cause some Visma tension and have Jonas answering soap-opera questions on the rest day. Van Aert is right that Pog could have just sat up and dropped back and the problem was solved immediately - the break would have gone away with no dangerous GC riders in it and everyone could chill.

Incidentally, before the break split up Wellens didn't take a pull - sat there saying he had Pog behind him, then attacks. Some might say that's canny racing, others might be a bit put out by it. I'm not sure it won him a lot of friends.

So at the end of the day, Pog got his teammate into a break that he won from after doing little work, protected his teammate by not letting Visma get Jorgenson into the break, kept Jonas chasing to get back and sowed the seeds of another Visma tactics/team cohesion media shitstorm but still gets to come out of it with everyone sniffing his @rse and saying it smells of roses :laugh:

The "we tried to slow things down but nobody would listen" line when JV was off the back because of the crash was such transparent codswallop.
 
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