Tour de France questions

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Dave7

Legendary Member
Location
Cheshire
Having never "raced" in my life I may show my ignorance here :blush:

It appears that teams stick together in groups...............is that to give moral support to each other?

They frequently change to the order they ride in..........is that to provide "drag" to each rider in turn?

Finally (2 part question here :smile: )............
How do they decide which of their team is (in theory) going to go for the yellow jersey beacause........what if the pre-selected guy is not form that day but another member is in the best form of his life?
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
Why do they ride together? It depends what's going on. If, say the team leader has fallen back and needs to chase back to the rest (like Tony Martin yesterday) his team mates will be providing drafting cover for him so he can get back without expending too much energy. In a sprint finish they might be forming a "train" to lead the nominated sprinter to the final sprint. In crowded riding they may be clustering around the leader to prevent him from being bumped.

How do they decide? They decide beforehand. Then, during the race the leader will naturally be higher in the overall classification because the other riders will be working for the leader - protecting him, fetching bottles, chasing down breakaways and so on, and having knackered themselves out during the stage will be finishing low down and he will finish high up. Of course it may not work out like that and if one team member "forgets" that it's a team sport and decides to attack his leader there can be friction (very famously Hinault v Lemond, and less so Froome v Wiggins).

(I've never raced either. My answers may be deficient, but I hope they're not utter cobblers)
 

w00hoo_kent

One of the 64K
Same as @Dogtrousers have never raced, but have followed it a bit over the last few years and the pundits do love answering questions like this :-)

The thing to remember is that if you are following another bike very closely (drafting) then you are benefitting from the work the bike in front is doing and this is cumulative to a degree so a chain of 5 bikes might see the 5th bike doing 20% less work than the lead bike. If you keep swapping the lead, but keep your best rider in 5th place it's like they've raced less distance when they get near the end, so they are fresher and stand more chance of finishing high up the rankings.

It's presumed of almost 200 starters maybe 10 or 20 have what it takes to actually win. Everyone else is there to help put them in that position at the end of the day. Bearing in mind the winner needs to be good at climbing mountains, time trialling and turning up 'ready to go' every day for a month. Most of the riders there aren't specialists in everything, so they will lose too much time to win it versus those that are.

All numbers are barely remembered and came from dubious sources in the first place (pundits and magazine articles) so don't ask for proof.
 

Globalti

Legendary Member
Another question: how do the "Libre Service" guys get their wheels back at the end of the day? Do the wheels have a mobile number on them or something?
 
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Dave7

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How do they decide? They decide beforehand. Then, during the race the leader will naturally be higher in the overall classification because the other riders will be working for the leader - protecting him, fetching bottles, chasing down breakaways and so on, and having knackered themselves out during the stage will be finishing low down and he will finish high up.

t's presumed of almost 200 starters maybe 10 or 20 have what it takes to actually win. Everyone else is there to help put them in that position at the end of the day. Bearing in mind the winner needs to be good at climbing mountains, time trialling and turning up 'ready to go' every day for a month. Most of the riders there aren't specialists in everything, so they will lose too much time to win it versus those that are.QUOTE]

Thanks for that.
So.........what happens if the designated/proposed leader is having a crap/off day ?
I assume they already have a 2nd rider already nominated ??
 

mustang1

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London, UK
I always wondered why a sprinter is required. It seems all they do is tag along and at the end of the race they get all the glory. For the entire race they could easily be dropped. What if a team had no sprinter but had a long distance guy instead. Wouldnt the team reach the end line quicker than if a sprinter was tagging along?
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
What if a team had no sprinter but had a long distance guy instead. Wouldnt the team reach the end line quicker than if a sprinter was tagging along?
Yes they would reach the finish line quicker and then get scalped by another team's sprinter who tags along behind them. Do Sky have a sprinter this year? See how many flat stages they win... although Rowe has deputised for Cav when he was with Sky.
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
So.........what happens if the designated/proposed leader is having a crap/off day ?
I assume they already have a 2nd rider already nominated ??
Having an off day or an off three weeks? It all depends. If it's one off day then the team will be helping him. If he's fallen so far down the rankings then the team may switch from long term GC ambitions to looking to pick up stage wins. Or maybe they may back another rider if it's a long term thing. It happened with Cadel Evans and Teejay van Garderen when Cadel was having a bad tour in 2013(?) but for the life of me I can't remember how things worked out.
 
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w00hoo_kent

One of the 64K
Thanks for that.
So.........what happens if the designated/proposed leader is having a crap/off day ?
I assume they already have a 2nd rider already nominated ??
Like most races, a Grand Tour (so the Tour de France for instance) has a lot going on in it and not every team is there to do the same thing. Some have a good contender to get on the podium at the end of the race and they are going for GC (general classification I think) what matters to them a lot (sometimes to the exception of everything else) is where their GC rider ends up on the last day of the event, or with the TdF the day before because it's now traditional to use the final day as kind of a big parade. So the GC rider isn't supposed to have off days, if they have one they are supposed to make it as 'on' as possible and whatever time they lose they are expected to make up in the days to come. A team with a GC contender who can't do this, doesn't really have a contender. Often, but not always, because of the way some other team members will be favoured helpers you get a second rider close to the top who could take over in the case of problems (Froome for Wiggins in 2012 for instance) but for all the talk of 'plan B' if the rider isn't up there and good enough from the beginning they probably aren't going to do the job. The requirements to be a GC contender mean that they are rare and two true GC contenders in one team rarely works out (hence no Wiggins in 2013 & 14) in theory a GC contender who isn't the main choice should make an excellent super domestique (domestiques are there to ride for the winners, not to win the whole thing themselves) but it takes a certain mindset to be a GC contender and it rarely gels with also being a helper once you've reached the top, although sometimes they do the odd day of it.

Aside from people going for GC, some are going for the other jerseys (Points - Green, kind of best sprinter but not really of late, Mountains - polkadot, best climber, Best young rider - white, best rider under 26, showing how important maturity is in cycle racing.) which means they will be riding with the leaders of those jerseys in mind and not the overall winners, especially as often the points of the race that decide Green and Polkadot aren't at the end point of the race.

There is also a best team classification which isn't always won by the team with the best rider (look for riders with yellow numbers on their jerseys).

Finally, each stage has a winner, it has a most combative rider, and it has riders that will be in breakaways. All of those get some limelight which means advertising for the sponsors, so a team might have no chance at winning anything, but its riders make the breakaways a lot so get plenty of TV time and that's enough of a 'win' for them.
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
Another question: how do the "Libre Service" guys get their wheels back at the end of the day? Do the wheels have a mobile number on them or something?
Some vans go along handing out packets of Haribo, key rings and silly hats, some vans go along handing out wheels.
 

Cuchilo

Prize winning member X2
Location
London
The reason they stick together is because they are friends and they have to cycle quite a few miles in the day so it better to spend those miles with people you have something in common with . not everyone is from the same country so if you just went off and rode with strangers you could end up getting stuck with someone that speaks French or something .
 
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