Turn ITV ON NOW !!!

[mr_cellophane]

And it was a taxi, so has to be perfect before it is allowed back on the road.

I wonder which is more common for the left hook; a car passing a cyclist and then turning or a cyclist passing a turning car on the inside.

 

[marinyork]

That taxi driver seemed reasonable enough but I'd not necessarily believe the £800, I've seen crashes between taxis and cyclists and seen how seemingly reasonable cabbies turn into lying barstewards.

Also comparing a van to a to a bicycle is a pretty silly thing to do.

 

[Origamist]

I wonder which is more common for the left hook; a car passing a cyclist and then turning or a cyclist passing a turning car on the inside.

The former.

 

[marinyork]

The former.

Definitely the former, the only reason people could possible say the latter is if their minds have been taken by all these London attitudes.

 

[addictfreak]

That taxi driver seemed reasonable enough but I'd not necessarily believe the £800, I've seen crashes between taxis and cyclists and seen how seemingly reasonable cabbies turn into lying barstewards.

Also comparing a van to a to a bicycle is a pretty silly thing to do.

The comparison was that it was a very low speed impact with what appeared minimal damage, however once garages are involved costs get ot of hand.
A bicycle and rider are very capable of causing serious damage. If it was me riding the bike that would meet 14 stone impacting on the car, now depending on point of impact it could certainly run into hundreds of £s

 

[Amanda P]

For me, the programme got off to a bad start when the presenter announced the proposals "to make drivers automatically liable for accidents involving cyclists".

No-one is proposing this. They are proposing that the driver would be liable unless he can prove that the cylist was at fault.

Quite different things.

The format was unfortunate: why pick these six people to pontificate on what's right and what's wrong? Great for conflict: crap for actually informing anyone what the law might be - with the honourable exception of the CTC guy, of course.

The "left hook" film sequence was awful. So many short shots were cut together so confusingly, it wasn't at all clear what was happening. And as so many of us have said, what appeared to be happening is actually vanishingly rare.

 

[marinyork]

The comparison was that it was a very low speed impact with what appeared minimal damage, however once garages are involved costs get ot of hand.
A bicycle and rider are very capable of causing serious damage. If it was me riding the bike that would meet 14 stone impacting on the car, now depending on point of impact it could certainly run into hundreds of £s

Nobody disputes that bicycles could do a fair bit of damage to a car we're just sick of these false comparisons. The overwhelming likelyhood is that a bicycle won't do anything like £800 of damage. You're taking top end cases and skewing it as credible and representative data. A van probably weighs 3 tonnes. A person on a bike might weight 100kg or a bit more. You'd have to do about five and a half times the speed on impact to get the same energy. Then there is the area it would hit. Overall the larger vehicle is much more likely in many collisions to do serious damage. Totting up data from many accidents would probably lead to the conclusion that insurance is questionable and the system we have at present is best, with changed liability laws/principles. To a certain extent I can't understand the cabbie getting that upset, if we take him and others literally they are lucky to be alive!

You can have whatever view you like but please don't compare apples and oranges and a lot of people would argue about your very wrong opinion on what change in the law people want.

 

[classic33]

What do the rest of the poster here feel about a mass registration, cyclist & cycle(s), attempt with the DVLA.

Yes I know it can't be done, but at least then we can say we tried & the system said we are not allowed/able to register.

 

[mr_cellophane]

Research indicates that 1 in 20 drivers are uninsured. If the police can't do much about this, how are they to be expected to deal with checking cyclists as well ?

 

[thomas]

What do the rest of the poster here feel about a mass registration, cyclist & cycle(s), attempt with the DVLA.

Well it's stupid. You wouldn't put registration plates on pedestrians. Any, arguable benefit would not be worth the economic cost.

Motorists can argue all they like that cyclists should have numberplates...but they might not be so quick so say that when they realise how much it would cost to implement.

 

[Cab]

What do the rest of the poster here feel about a mass registration, cyclist & cycle(s), attempt with the DVLA.

Yes I know it can't be done, but at least then we can say we tried & the system said we are not allowed/able to register.

(my bold; you're answering your own question)

Its needless, verging on impossible, and would be a massive expense for no purpose.

 

[wesa]

I only got to see this program last night. What I found unacceptable was referring to the celebrities as 'experts'. Motorists will watch this and conclude that as the experts said the cyclist is at fault, this must be the case.
If these people were selected for their expertise in accident investigation and road traffic law (which is what they were commenting on) then enlighten us on their qualification as experts.

 

[JiMBR]

If these people were selected for their expertise in accident investigation and road traffic law (which is what they were commenting on) then enlighten us on their qualification as experts.

Very well put!

 

[Cab]

Experts have no place in a celebrity culture, just like talent has no role in producing celebrities.

 

[classic33]

(my bold; you're answering your own question)

Its needless, verging on impossible, and would be a massive expense for no purpose.

I know I answered my own question. But the reason for asking it was to see what sort of replies it would bring.

Rephrase the question slightly.
Make it known that a mass registration attempt, is going to be made by cyclists, in order that they can register their vehicles. At the same time pointing out the cost & the fact that the greater part of the cost of the registration would be passed onto motorists. In much the same way as electric vehicles pass part onto other motor vehicles.

I know it can't be done because my local council required that my vehicle be taxed. Which would be zero rated would it not. However without a registration mark you can't under the present system get it taxed. I tried, in an attempt to be recognised as a road vehicle by the council.