Turning into side road

[akb]

Was he turning into a side road? Yes.
Does the HC state you should give way to people already crossing the side road? Yes.

But you were on a bike, and as such have the right of way. It looked to me from the video that you slowed to allow the car to turn. That is why I dont understand the point of the video. Was it to show the silly cycle lane layout / dodgy cycling / dodgy driving?

 

[benb]

But you were on a bike, and as such have the right of way. It looked to me from the video that you slowed to allow the car to turn. That is why I dont understand the point of the video. Was it to show the silly cycle lane layout / dodgy cycling / dodgy driving?

I only slowed because I could tell he was going to turn in no matter what I did, and in my judgement there wasn't time to get all the way across before he turned in.

The point of the video was to remind people that they should give way to people already crossing when they turn into a side road.

 

[Alien8]

Are you saying that if I had moved well to the right, behind the side road's give way line, this driver was in the wrong, but as I carried on in the cycle lane he wasn't?

Yes that's right.

And you didn't carry on in the cycle lane because, as your film and street view shows, the cycle-lane stops at the edges of the junction with clear give-way markings.

It's all a fuss about nothing.



Cycle on the road mate - it's safer and faster.

 

[Alien8]

The point of the video was to remind people that they should give way to people already crossing when they turn into a side road.

Of course people should, there's no debate about that, but I don't think your example fits very well with that - that's all.

 

[benb]

Yes that's right.

And you didn't carry on in the cycle lane because, as your film and street view shows, the cycle-lane stops at the edges of the junction with clear give-way markings.

It's all a fuss about nothing.



Cycle on the road mate - it's safer and faster.

It doesn't stop - it just has give way markings.

I do normally - I only use these shared use facilities when I have my son on the seat on the back.

Of course people should, there's no debate about that, but I don't think your example fits very well with that - that's all.

Only because the give way line for turning into the side road is in the wrong place.

 

[Mad at urage]

What does it matter which side of the line I was? Are you saying that if I had moved well to the right, behind the side road's give way line, this driver was in the wrong, but as I carried on in the cycle lane he wasn't?

Here's the streetview from the driver's point of view. http://g.co/maps/tmmc4

Regardless of exactly where the line is, he should give way to people who have already started to cross when he turns into that side road.

Because it is the give-way line? The junction is badly laid out with the give-way line for vehicles turning off the main into the side road in the wrong place: That this causes confusion about who has priority is understandable.

 

[benb]

Because it is the give-way line? The junction is badly laid out with the give-way line for vehicles turning off the main into the side road in the wrong place: That this causes confusion about who has priority is understandable.

True. I also think though that most people don't even know that HC rule.
Regardless of exactly where the line is, the rule is clear that you should give way when turning into the side road. If the line had been worn away or was entirely missing, they should still give way.

 

[gambatte]

But because you were on the left of the give way line, he wouldn't be giving way to someone crossing the junction? Strictly speaking wouldn't he be crossing an oncoming traffic lane, complicated by the fact of the oncoming traffic having just crossed its own give way?

 

[BentMikey]

The point of the video was to remind people that they should give way to people already crossing when they turn into a side road.

Give way to pedestrians mate, not people cycling along there. The give way lines for cyclists meant that you had to wait, assuming you were riding and not walking. I totally see your frustration with the design of that junction.

 

[benb]

Give way to pedestrians mate, not people cycling along there. The give way lines for cyclists meant that you had to wait, assuming you were riding and not walking. I totally see your frustration with the design of that junction.

So if I'd got off and pushed, he should have given way, but because I didn't he shouldn't? WTF?
The HC needs its wording updating to include cyclists then, but the spirit is clearly that you should give way to things crossing when turning into a side road.

 

[Mad at urage]

I agree that most people (not just motor vehicles) turning into side roads don't give way to pedestrians as they should. When I give way in those circumstances, the pedestrian is usually very surprised (and often waves me on). TBH it is something that has irritated me for years .

But as a car driver approaching that junction and seeing the line where it is, I would probably expect to have to give way at the line and would be surprised as heck to see a cyclist coming towards me, effectively in the same lane as me! I hope I'd have slowed enough to stop easily, but I can certainly see it being a very quick decision in a moment of confusion about WTF is going on at that junction.

 

[gambatte]

<devils advocate> but seeing as you were at a give way and could see the guy was going at speed, with his indicator on and wouldn't encounter any give way before reaching your position. Isn't the onus on you to give way, if you couldn't cross without causing him to adjust his speed

 

[Norm]

A217.

You're not actually in the main carriageway, but in a gap between the side road's give way line and the left hand side of the carriageway.

By A3, I was referring to the car, and not the road.

And you were, in that video, to the left of the give way lines so you were in the main carriageway. The give way lines mark the junction, which is where one road becomes another. By being on the left of the lines, you were in the main road.

What does it matter which side of the line I was? Are you saying that if I had moved well to the right, behind the side road's give way line, this driver was in the wrong, but as I carried on in the cycle lane he wasn't?

That is how it works.

Regardless of exactly where the line is, he should give way to people who have already started to cross when he turns into that side road.

I'm not sure that the line can be disregarded, though, as it is what defines whether you were on the same road or not.

 

[benb]

Hmm. OK, thanks for the support everyone, I knew I could rely on you lot to back me up.

 

[4F]

Hmm. OK, thanks for the support everyone, I knew I could rely on you lot to back me up.

Think yourself lucky User3143 was not here for his valued input