UEFA are a bunch of spineless....

[Rob S]

It does though. The principle must stand that the referee's decision is final. Tinker with that at your peril. The ref said it was a penalty and it's a penalty, end of story. Retrospective punishments make no sense at all as Celtic will still be out. Common sense has descended on the twerps at UEFA.

Its true the ref's decision is final in that the goal can't be taken off after the event, but when it comes to evidence coming out that a deception went on then the FA and UEFA should act...just like in other sports....so that hopefully players don't think they have got away with it so ong as they convinced the ref from one angle.

Doesn't matter if Celtic were out or if Arsenal had still lost the game in this case.

 

[swee'pea99]

Arsenal were asking - and quite rightly, surely - for consistency. You can argue about did he/didn't he, is he/isn't he, till you're blue in the face, but unless you're prepared to be consistent and ban all players who dive (/don't), you can't just pick on one.

 

[Billloudon]

See what UEFA didn't!

Despite what all the moaning, whinging and complaining, Eduardo Da Silva DIVED when trying to cheat the referee and win a penalty for Arsenal in the Champions League Play-Off tie at the Emirate Stadium.
If you don’t believe me, watch the video again.>>>>>>>>>>>

UEFA know it, Arsene Wenger knows it and most ’sensible’ Arsenal fans know it.
Only the deluded think that such an act is acceptable in today’s game.
Probably the same deluded that will be seeking justice for Adebayor’s antics at the weekend.

 

[User482]

[quote name='swee'pea99']Arsenal were asking - and quite rightly, surely - for consistency. You can argue about did he/didn't he, is he/isn't he, till you're blue in the face, but unless you're prepared to be consistent and ban all players who dive (/don't), you can't just pick on one.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. If you're to ban Eduardo, then be prepared for post-match bannings after every game.

In any case, the punishment for "simulation" is a yellow card, not a 2 game ban.

 

[Rob S]

It's just been announced Adebayor has been charged with violent conduct on Van Persie and improper conduct for his goal celebration and faces a three match ban. Are these charges undermining the ref? He saw both....the second one very clearly and booked him for it, isn't that enough? The fans were the ones that reacted to him, after all. Other players don't get this when they wind up the crowd perhaps they'll cave in and say we can't charge you as we don't charge everyone else.

 

[Rob S]

In any case, the punishment for "simulation" is a yellow card, not a 2 game ban.

It's a yellow card when the ref sees you doing something like that.....if it's found after the event especially like this incident where you win a penalty from it that he deceived the ref then a 2 match ban is in order....he's being banned for successful deception....not for trying to dive.

 

[swee'pea99]

Adebayor is a whole different kettle of fish. That kick should be worth a 10 game ban. Almost certainly the most thuggish and malicious premeditated act I've seen on a football field, ever.

 

[User482]

It's a yellow card when the ref sees you doing something like that.....if it's found after the event especially like this incident where you win a penalty from it that he deceived the ref then a 2 match ban is in order....he's being banned for successful deception....not for trying to dive.

1. You shouldn't receive a harsher punishment just because the ref was incompetent. My first reaction was that he dived - the ref should have spotted it.

2. Players attempt to deceive the ref in every single match. Should they all be banned on the basis of video evidence?

 

[User482]

It's just been announced Adebayor has been charged with violent conduct on Van Persie and improper conduct for his goal celebration and faces a three match ban. Are these charges undermining the ref? He saw both....the second one very clearly and booked him for it, isn't that enough? The fans were the ones that reacted to him, after all. Other players don't get this when they wind up the crowd perhaps they'll cave in and say we can't charge you as we don't charge everyone else.

Yes they do. Robbie Fowler got a 4 match ban for the line-sniffing celebration.

 

[PaulB]

We'd all do well to remember though that the rules do not apply to Manchester United. Gary Infected Dog's Anus Neville can run 100 yards from his own area to goad supporters at the other end of the stadium and will be considered a likkle tinker. Anyone else doing it and it's the death of football as we know it and they will be banned!!!

 

[Andy Pandy]

Teams don't win the Premiership or Champions League without a good diver in the team. United - Ronaldo/Rooney; Chelsea - Drogba; Arsenal - Pires; Liverpool - Stevie G. Arsenal haven't had a decent diver for years, as the results testify. They have had to put up with Eboue and he's rubbish (at diving). Maybe with Edwardo they might win something, although he actually doesn't have much of a track record in this area. The best of them all was Klinsmann - probably the greatest diver of all time.

 

[PaulB]

Teams don't win the Premiership or Champions League without a good diver in the team. United - Ronaldo/Rooney;

Have you noticed the way Ferguson goes on about the great evil of diving since Ronaldo left? The sheer hypocrisy should be breathtaking but of course I don't think there's much left that man will not descend to.

 

[User482]

Have you noticed the way Ferguson goes on about the great evil of diving since Ronaldo left? The sheer hypocrisy should be breathtaking but of course I don't think there's much left that man will not descend to.

Michael Owen is not immune to diving either...

 

[Rob S]

Yes they do. Robbie Fowler got a 4 match ban for the line-sniffing celebration.

That was about the drug use side of it and bringing the game in to disripute than winding up the fans of whoever he was playing against.

The whole point is that the powers that be should have the right to charge players on top of what the ref gave on the match if more evidence comes to light.


User482 there plenty of example in life where the penalties are far more serious if you are found guily of something down the line than if you are found out there and then.

If you lie to a policeman when making a statement and the policeman rumbles you there and then bugger all happens to you....if it goes to court and it later transpires what you said is a lie you can end up in court yourself.

 

[User482]

That was about the drug use side of it and bringing the game in to disripute than winding up the fans of whoever he was playing against.

The whole point is that the powers that be should have the right to charge players on top of what the ref gave on the match if more evidence comes to light.


User482 there plenty of example in life where the penalties are far more serious if you are found guily of something down the line than if you are found out there and then.

If you lie to a policeman when making a statement and the policeman rumbles you there and then bugger all happens to you....if it goes to court and it later transpires what you said is a lie you can end up in court yourself.

Lat time I checked, a player diving wasn't a criminal offence, so your analogy is completely spurious.

Players attempt to con the referee in every single game. To ban Eduardo would set a precedent that would be completely unworkable, as well as being disproportionate to the offence committed.