Vehicle Emissions

[Drago]

Governments. Turbo diesels are too nice to drive to just go and get rid of them.

I'm surprised you'd place driving pleasure (not that something with a Massey Ferguson soundtrack could ever be pleasurable) ahead of the lives of the 40,000 people reckoned to die each year from air pollution related illness.

 

[raleighnut]

I'm surprised you'd place driving pleasure (not that something with a Massey Ferguson soundtrack could ever be pleasurable) ahead of the lives of the 40,000 people reckoned to die each year from air pollution related illness.

Just cos you're not burning old chip fat these days,

 

[Drago]

Nah, can't get it any more

I've reformed, will be going carless once I've had my op.

 

[raleighnut]

Nah, can't get it any more

I've reformed, will be going carless once I've had my op.

 

[KnackeredBike]

I'm surprised you'd place driving pleasure (not that something with a Massey Ferguson soundtrack could ever be pleasurable) ahead of the lives of the 40,000 people reckoned to die each year from air pollution related illness.

The problem is that although ICE vehicles need to be put back in their box it needs to be done carefully as people are mostly sheep and if they take fright and start running in the wrong direction it is counterproductive.

After all we've known about the health effects of air pollution for ages but every time there is a "limit diesel vehicles" story in the media they inevitably interview "Angry Car Person" who claims the government entrapped them into buying a diesel by marginally cutting fuel duty fifteen years ago, as if they thought it was emitting smiles and sunshine from the exhaust.

I have said it before but my favourite was someone complaining he had to wear an air mask because pollution was so bad. When driving his car. D'oh.

 

[Yellow Saddle]

[QUOTE 4749146, member: 9609"]could you not just stick it in 5th and release the clutch ( with foot well pressed on brake). not sure I would risk it in an auto, even if it would go into drive you would need to be very confident in the brakes.

without the soundtrack it looks like an old Gardiner starting up - fire it up then retire to the otherside of the road until the fog lifts, when your truck reappeared out of the fog you knew tit was ready to drive.[/QUOTE]

I think sticking it into gear will go with an almighty grinding noise, probably worse than the runaway engine itself.
The problem with these things is that they are incredibly scary and the driver usually gets out and stands at a safe distance. No-one really wants to lift the bonnet next to an engine that's running full bore. But apparently, the remedy is a squirt of CO2 into the air intake.

 

[raleighnut]

I think sticking it into gear will go with an almighty grinding noise, probably worse than the runaway engine itself.
The problem with these things is that they are incredibly scary and the driver usually gets out and stands at a safe distance. No-one really wants to lift the bonnet next to an engine that's running full bore. But apparently, the remedy is a squirt of CO2 into the air intake.

Be easier if they fitted either a throttle valve to the intake or a valve lifter to the exhaust camshaft

 

[Yellow Saddle]

[QUOTE 4749178, member: 9609"]I'm sure it would go into gear no problem

if you were brave enough to open the bonnet just shove your jumper up the air intake, something profound would probably happen but it might stop it.[/QUOTE]

I'll let you know how easily it goes into gear next time I find one of those. However, the air intake is hidden in most cars and I'm not putting my hand in tight spaces looking for a hole to block. You're more likely to find a spinning belt and pulley than an intake.

 

[Yellow Saddle]

Be easier if they fitted either a throttle valve to the intake or a valve lifter to the exhaust camshaft

Where do you expect them to find R&D money for that. All spare R&D money goes into defeater software development. To be fair, it is an extremely rare occurrence.

 

[mustang1]

The first three years the tax would be set by the government, much as it is now. Electric cars would also be taxed, albeit at a lesser rate, to reflect the fact that the majority of electricity in the UK comes from burning stuff, and that they still contribute to congestion.

The first three years the tax would be set by the government, much as it is now. Electric cars would also be taxed, albeit at a lesser rate, to reflect the fact that the majority of electricity in the UK comes from burning stuff, and that they still contribute to congestion.

But if we keep paying to burn stuff, there won't be any incentive (for politicians) to move away from burning stuff.

 

[mustang1]

Considering how filthily polluting they are, its a disgrace that diesels are subject to such rudimentary emissions checks during the MOT.

My conspiracy theory is the politicians had some bonus £££ coming their way if the UK reduced it's co2 emissions so they went crazy about diesel: reduced taxes for them and ignored the health warnings. They got rich and after 20 years the population cottoned on to diesel is rubbish for health and now the politicians are back on the bandwagon attempting to increase tax on them in favour of electric/hybrid vehicles.

Just a conspiracy though.

 

[screenman]

It's a great idea in theory @Drago and I like the idea of a multiplier for mileage driven but as with most things there will be a way round what you propose. Like VW setting the car into a lean map when the bonnet is up, if the manufacturer doesn't do it the aftermarket would or even driving another car on the ramp to faulsify the C02/soot tests. I have seen that done many a time

45 years in the trade and I have never seen that happen, if I did I would report it immediately. I hope you have done the same the many times you have seen it happen.

If you feel bad about reporting it I will do it for you.

 

[Yellow Saddle]

Hands up how many of you burn "oil" (diesel) to heat your homes.

 

[raleighnut]

Where do you expect them to find R&D money for that. All spare R&D money goes into defeater software development. To be fair, it is an extremely rare occurrence.

Earlier diesel engines had both of these fitted, it is modern 'common rail' diesel engines that have done away for the need for them, engine speed/power is simply regulated by the amount of fuel injected.

 

[Yellow Saddle]

Earlier diesel engines had both of these fitted, it is modern 'common rail' diesel engines that have done away for the need for them, engine speed/power is simply regulated by the amount of fuel injected.

Yeah, but those weren't turbo charged.