Vehicle Emissions

[Tail End Charlie]

From the letters I've had, it's a software update only. I've been waiting over a year for mine now.

I think it's a software update. I had mine done last Wednesday, it wasn't in for any length of time for them to do anything else. Not sure if I'm imagining it, but it feels a little more gutless now. 1.6 Caddy van, if it makes a difference.

 

[Drago]

People are reporting a high rate of EGR failure with the software update.

 

[fossyant]

The whole thing was a scam from the start. Stupid Government thought CO2 was a way of taxing vehicles - easy to do, so the car manufacturers did what they could to keep the company car tax down, big part of the market. It was easier to do with diesel/stop start etc, so thats what happened. Then they realised that diesel wasn't all that nice (the soot on my clothing from even years ago would tell me this). And now it's all change.

I personally have preferred petrol, I don't do enough miles for the engine premium cost of a diesel, nor do I like the tractor noise in a typical diesel.

Diesel made sense for big mile eaters, petrol for town driving.

The whole thing is bark raving mad.

 

[Drago]

The Government is right to address issues of toxicity, bit electric vehicles only move that from tail pipe to power station chimney.

However, the biggest change needs to be a societal one, where lazy ass people stop using cars for unnecessary short journeys, and the Government needs to be applying serious effort into breaking that culture and promoting walking and cycle use.

 

[Glenn]

Not seen high rates reported on the Briskoda forum, Skoda's use the same engines.

People are reporting a high rate of EGR failure with the software update.

 

[KneesUp]

The Government is right to address issues of toxicity, bit electric vehicles only move that from tail pipe to power station chimney.

Unless we do the sensible thing and cover desserts with solar panels and use tidal power. And wind turbines.

I would imagine that the oil rich countries are pouring money into solar, given then get all their wealth from a finite resource that's becoming unfashionable, and they have a lot of sun. But I could be wrong.

 

[Drago]

Not seen high rates reported on the Briskoda forum, Skoda's use the same engines.

https://www.hypermiler.co.uk/diesel...lgate-emissions-fix-causing-egr-valve-to-fail

https://www.hypermiler.co.uk/diesel...ners-for-egr-failures-after-the-emissions-fix

https://www.hypermiler.co.uk/diesel...ners-for-egr-failures-after-the-emissions-fix

And most pertinently...scroll down and view results for the "has the fix ended up costing you money" question.

https://www.hypermiler.co.uk/diesel...dieselgate-egr-scandal-would-you-by-vag-again

But what did people expect from a firm founded by the Nazi party?

 

[Flick of the Elbow]

Diesel is perfect for the driving we do. Really annoyed with the prospect that we're going to have to go back to something more expensive.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

The Government is right to address issues of toxicity, bit electric vehicles only move that from tail pipe to power station chimney.

However, the biggest change needs to be a societal one, where lazy ass people stop using cars for unnecessary short journeys, and the Government needs to be applying serious effort into breaking that culture and promoting walking and cycle use.

How do you break that culture and why does it exist though? Surely one of the biggest uses for cars is shopping and I wonder if the huge increase in food packaging has made a weekly shop pretty difficult to move by foot or on a bike. Tied in with urban sprawl and out of town retail outlets I can't see people voluntarily setting their cars aside.

I don't think it's as simple as making cars uneconomic.

 

[Yellow Saddle]

Unless we do the sensible thing and cover desserts with solar panels and use tidal power. And wind turbines.

I would imagine that the oil rich countries are pouring money into solar, given then get all their wealth from a finite resource that's becoming unfashionable, and they have a lot of sun. But I could be wrong.

There is a problem getting power generated by solar in a sunny desert to densely populated countries in the temperate zone where the consumers of energy live.

 

[Drago]

The shopping one has been solved by nearly every supermarket offering home delivery. How many people genuinely need to drive their cars, often with 2 empty seats in the rear, to out of town retail parks?

These aren't genuine objections, they're excuses.

The day will eventually come when failing resources and overloaded infrastructure simply will not permit near universal car ownership and motorised transport for the shortest of journeys, and we can be pretty sure that people won't be starving in their droves, walking around naked, living in houses devoid of furniture. Even today, there are people out there who don't own cars, those on a low income, those who dont have licences, some elderly folk, my Mum, and they survive just fine.

 

[Jody]

45 years in the trade and I have never seen that happen, if I did I would report it immediately. I hope you have done the same the many times you have seen it happen.

If you feel bad about reporting it I will do it for you.

It was years ago and although yes it should have been reported it becomes difficult when you know the person doing it.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

The shopping one has been solved by nearly every supermarket offering home delivery. How many people genuinely need to drive their cars, often with 2 empty seats in the rear, to out of town retail parks?

These aren't genuine objections, they're excuses.

The day will eventually come when failing resources and overloaded infrastructure simply will not permit near universal car ownership and motorised transport for the shortest of journeys, and we can be pretty sure that people won't be starving in their droves, walking around naked, living in houses devoid of furniture. Even today, there are people out there who don't own cars, those on a low income, those who dont have licences, some elderly folk, my Mum, and they survive just fine.

I don't think it's an excuse. The growth in cities and towns - urban sprawl in general - together with the decline of mass employers in the centre of communities means people have to be more mobile.

 

[Drago]

You are correct, it certainly does not help. Nevertheless, there are sufficient car less people out there surviving to prove that its an excuse, not a genuine obstacle.

Straight away I can think of my Mum, the bloke directly across the road from me (new age hippy type), the caretaker at the school I was chatting to recently, even a lady copper I know - none of these folk have cars and are notable for not having starved to death recently, which blows any objection clean out the water.

 

[Jody]

Diesel is perfect for the driving we do. Really annoyed with the prospect that we're going to have to go back to something more expensive.

That's what I though but it is possible to have your cake and eat it. Mine is 180BHP petrol turbo, will return 40mpg on the motorway at 70mph and 30mpg for stop start town driving. Produces 20% less CO2 than the same petrol run engine and fuel costs 52ppl, so effectively on a run will give the equivilent cost of 80mpg and 60mpg round town. Depending on miles driven per year a conversion can pay itself off in 12 months.