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upsidedown

Waiting for the great leap forward
Location
The middle bit
A couple of weeks ago a cyclist tragically died after suffering an epileptic fit while cycling along the canal towpath.
This week the local paper ran an article after advice from "a Stourbridge biking expert". Their words not mine. He is actually the head of Stourbug, the Stourbridge Bicycle Users Group.

Here is the article in full :

Me xxx says "Canal towpaths may seem like good places to cycle but they are littered with hazards and obstructions which make them a biker's nightmare. "
He believes people should ride on quiet roads rather than canalside routes to avoid problems including narrow tracks, potholes, low bridges and slippery conditions where a fall from a bike can end in serious injury.
Mr xxx said "we get lots of people who say they only ever ride on towpaths, we show them better places to ride.
What new cyclists tend to do is ride from A to B on roads they tend to drive on, usually where there are the most cars and are the most dangerous.
When they ride on roads with next to no traffic they say ,what have I been worried about ?'
Unlike pedestrians, cyclists have no public right of way on towpaths and if they intend to use routes owned by British Waterways must obtain a permit. "
Mr xxx says cyclists run the risk of coming into conflict with anglers and dog walkers.
He added "we are better off not being there".

End of article


While the cyclist's death was tragic, the messages sent out by this awful piece of amateur journalism could not be more negative coming from a group that claims to represent local cycling.
 

Mozzy

New Member
Location
Taunton Somerset
I use Bridgwater to Taunton canal path and it is designated as part of the national cycle network; errr something is not right with the response. Very sad of course to hear of a death due to a fit, but unless I missed something, wasn't it safer to other road users having the fit on a canal path and not a busy road … not that the person of course knew they were going to have a fit I guess.
And what the heck is 'cyclists have no right of way, and must have a permit on BW's land' all about????
Mozzy
 

thnurg

Rebel without a clue
Location
Clackmannanshire
And what the heck is 'cyclists have no right of way, and must have a permit on BW's land' all about???? Mozzy

I'll agree that it is not the most eloquent press release, but I think that by saying we have no right of way it means we must give way to pedestrians, rather then "cyclists have no right to be there".

As for needing a permit, check out http://www.waterscape.com/things-to-do/cycling/permit
 

diapason

Well-Known Member
Location
West Somerset
I think that we technically need a permit to cycle on towpaths. This can be downloaded free from the site quoted in the previous post. However, in practice, nobody ever asks to see a permit - I wonder who actually has authority to demand it?
 

wiggydiggy

Legendary Member
I think that we technically need a permit to cycle on towpaths. This can be downloaded free from the site quoted in the previous post. However, in practice, nobody ever asks to see a permit - I wonder who actually has authority to demand it?

Any British Waterways representative, I believe the permit exists as a means to ends of removing your access to the canal network if they need to.

To agree with the OP that is a pretty shonky piece of advice from the so called 'expert'.

There are many miles of towpath which are not only excellent for cycling on, but actually part of the NCN and many other parts not part of the official route but still advertised to cyclists as routes.

I commutee on road, but I leisure ride on the towpath and its one of the most relaxed and pleasant places to cycle. Of couse you get the occasional idiot (on foot, bike or barge!) but no more than you encounter idiots elsewhere. As a route it may not be the most exciting (go 20 miles, turn around and go back :tongue:) but I've never come back from a ride on the towpath angry or unsatisfied.
 

diapason

Well-Known Member
Location
West Somerset
Thanks. I've downloaded a permit, just in case, although I've never been asked to show one. Most of the canals are good for cycling, although some low bridges need care. I must admit that I would think twice about using them after dark though.
 

wiggydiggy

Legendary Member
Doubt it lol!

Like I say the permit exists so if you are really bad (like the cycling flasher I found when googling this story :wacko:) then BW can bar you from the network, its not a right of way after all although some small parts may be.

I love towpath cycling, its nice to go at a slower pace and its so quiet at times :biggrin:
 

the snail

Guru
Location
Chippenham
Well it's true that there are lots of hazards on the towpath, but a nightmare?? if you ride according to the conditions then it's no different to riding on the road. I know a lot of riders who don't like towpath riding, but that's because they don't want to get their bikes dirty, or they've got skinny tires. If you have an epileptic fit while riding would it be less dangerous if it happened on the road in traffic :wacko:
 

wiggydiggy

Legendary Member
Well it's true that there are lots of hazards on the towpath, but a nightmare?? if you ride according to the conditions then it's no different to riding on the road. I know a lot of riders who don't like towpath riding, but that's because they don't want to get their bikes dirty, or they've got skinny tires. If you have an epileptic fit while riding would it be less dangerous if it happened on the road in traffic :wacko:

My hybrids on 26", with a semi slick at front and something with a little more grip on the rear for when its a little muddy. I've seen roadies on the paths near me presumably taking a very slow short cut lol!
 
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upsidedown

Waiting for the great leap forward
Location
The middle bit
Took this photo yesterday on a local stretch of Stourbridge canal , hardly the stuff of nightmares.

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wiggydiggy

Legendary Member
Interesting that the permit stipulates daytime riding only, but the Code of Conduct makes no mention of this; contra preferentum?

Hmmm Its a bit confusing, can you link the the CoC you are reading?

On the permit, yes daytime only, I'd imagine this is a safety issue primarily but also lots of people live on barges and may not appreciate nightime noise?

The only CoC I can get onto is Londons, which doesnt mention no nightime riding but does say you dont need a permit. http://www.waterscape.com/canals-and-rivers/regents-canal/londons-towpath-code-of-conduct

The 'Waterways Code' mentions "We strongly advise against cycling the towpath after dark, but if you have to, use front and rear lights" but doesnt disallow it. http://www.waterscape.com/media/documents/versioned/waterways_code_2005.pdf
 
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