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Mad Doug Biker

Mediocrity Manifest.
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This film was being made by a reporter as part of a story on nightclub safety, I've watched and read about this fire a few times.
Ah, ok.
It's given me second thoughts about entering any basement bar at all.
Me too!
The filming in the Swiss bar, I've read that when you are filming and viewing an event you have a sense of detachment and even protection as you are not directly viewing events. That makes sense to me.
I was saying before about learning to keep your nerve as long as possible, but you also need to take into consideration possible escape routes at any time. It's easy to get mesmerised as it were, with the effect you mention, the

'It can't really happen to me!'

Type of thing.
You need to avoid that.

At the other end of the scale though, there's also the thing where if you are working in a dangerous situation, or one where things become dangerous, you stay as long as possible, even if you know it might harm you or even kill you. It's not being mesmerised, you know the situation, but you keep going anyway as you realise that your images or footage might come in handy after the event or, you realise, you are simply stuck, you might not get out and you just hope that your camera and images will be found afterwards.
Of course, this is largely people doing photography as a job stuff, not just an amatuer.
 
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Sharky

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Kent
Thoughts go back to the Cavern club. Was too young to go to the original, but have been to the replica. Just think what might be if such a tragedy had happened there. Music we grew up with would have been completely different.
 

Beebo

Firm and Fruity
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A night club owner who's a bit of a bad 'un? Surely not!

I once had to do an insurance claim for a strip club which mysteriously burned down. Unsurprisingly it wasn’t paid out.

I would expect any strip club to be completely uninsurable due to the nature of the business owners being 100% dodgy.
 
When I was a photographer, umpteen years ago now, you were... Ok, not so much trained..., But it was impressed on you to keep your nerve for as long as possible if something happened.

This was SLR still photography stuff though, not videos, so your 'nerve' could be pretty short lived anyway! 😆

Many of the great and famous pictures of the 20th century were such examples of this or even photographers realising they already might not survive, but decide to keep recording for posterity anyway - The camera and film come before the photographer, always! 😆

In the Swiss case, I just expect people didn't realize the severity of the situation until it was too late though.

I was a pro motorsport photographer for a decade. Basically, you didn't stand and shoot in a place where you didn't have an escape route or something really solid to duck behind (concrete wall, marshal's post). I've had to drop my gear and run a few times, and once I got rugby-tackled by a marshal who spotted the out-of-control Porsche long before I did.

A lot of the places where I used to shoot are now off-limits for safety.
 

Mad Doug Biker

Mediocrity Manifest.
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Craggy Island
I was a pro motorsport photographer for a decade. Basically, you didn't stand and shoot in a place where you didn't have an escape route or something really solid to duck behind (concrete wall, marshal's post). I've had to drop my gear and run a few times, and once I got rugby-tackled by a marshal who spotted the out-of-control Porsche long before I did.

A lot of the places where I used to shoot are now off-limits for safety.
Yes I touched on the safety thing in my later message above - You wouldn't deliberately put yourself in danger without a way to escape.

That is in a perfect world though, as, as we all know, circumstances can suddenly change and you are not so lucky! 🤣
 
Yes I touched on the safety thing in my later message above - You wouldn't deliberately put yourself in danger without a way to escape.

That is in a perfect world though, as, as we all know, circumstances can suddenly change and you are not so lucky! 🤣

They changed the rules a few years ago after a marshal was killed at Brands Hatch (top of Paddock Hill bend) after a car barrel rolled, vaulted the safety fencing and demolished the marshals post.
 

Mad Doug Biker

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Turns out that yes, people didn't realise how serious it was and that some even thought it was some sort of joke or stunt - The amount of fireworks and so on that they did, had clearly created a complacency and/or an environment where people were no longer sure what they were actually looking at, hence they just filmed it. So no, not idiots or anything else stupid you said @Drago, just young (and probably drunk) people, unsure if it was part of the 'show' or whatever... 🙄

How sad:

https://apple.news/AWGdiV-l1QjCRL-xV22IXcg

Imagine being the member of staff who accidentally started it all, too? 😱
 
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Dogtrousers

Lefty tighty. Get it righty.
When I was a teenager I went hill walking in Wales in the winter. There were responsible (presumably qualified) adults and we had training in the use of ice axes. Memory is all a bit hazy.

Anyway, I fell and started sliding so I did an arrest or whatever it's called with the axe and got back to the other people who were moving in steps cut in the snow/ice. I've no idea how far I would have gone. Maybe it was utterly innocuous, maybe I'd have gone over a cliff. It shook me up a lot and once we got back I sat out the rest of the activities.

Since then I've never done any activity where such precautions are considered necessary. Not for me. I'll stay at home thanks.
 

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
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South Manchester
It does appear that night club was mainly full of underage kids - this would also explain the lack or urgency to get out and 'film' instead. Tragic.
 

N0bodyOfTheGoat

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It does appear that night club was mainly full of underage kids - this would also explain the lack or urgency to get out and 'film' instead. Tragic.

I thought I heard/read that local drinking laws allow some booze types when aged 16. Ah but just like here in the UK, you get teens trying to sneak in under the radar, did it myself at Ring O' Bells in West Kirby regularly through A-levels from when I was ~17.
 
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Widnes
When I was a teenager I went hill walking in Wales in the winter. There were responsible (presumably qualified) adults and we had training in the use of ice axes. Memory is all a bit hazy.

Anyway, I fell and started sliding so I did an arrest or whatever it's called with the axe and got back to the other people who were moving in steps cut in the snow/ice. I've no idea how far I would have gone. Maybe it was utterly innocuous, maybe I'd have gone over a cliff. It shook me up a lot and once we got back I sat out the rest of the activities.

Since then I've never done any activity where such precautions are considered necessary. Not for me. I'll stay at home thanks.

Many years ago I was in the Navy Cadets at school and I went on a 10 day "thing" up on Lock Ewe in Scotland

part of it was an overnight expedition up in the mountains - for NAVY cadets we did do a lot of walking!

anyway - the leaders were the 2 Officers from school - the Senior Office (Lt Cmdr) and the Leiutenant - who was also the by Scout leader so I knew him pretty well

Due to some good navigation from me and a friend of mine we got to the big mountains quicker than usual - so the leader decided to go up over the op rather than through the pass between 2 peaks
He had always wanted to do that as he had been doing that route for many years when he was a leader over the summer and this was the first time he had had the time

anyway - the ridges leading there were covered in thick snow

all was fine until we got to the ridge and started moving along.
The leader was at the front and the Lt. (my Scout leader) was bringing up teh rear
Now - I had also been on winter mountaineering courses and was starting to get a bit worried. I dropped back and told the otehr cadets how to make a good ridge with their foot before putting weight on it.
When I got to the Lt. I said I was concerned and he said he had seen me telling the other how to do it - and thanked be for it
but he didn;t think he could do anything - the leader was not good at taking critisism


anyway - I started making my way back and
suddenly the leader lot it
he shot down the slope at a rate of knots
luckily he landed on his backpack and was flailing around like a stranded turtle - which was good, if he had managed to get his feet down he would have tumbled and we would have been looking for Mountain Rescue and a helicopter!!

anyway - he was lucky and slid to a stop in teh valley - very shaken but not injured

The Lt took charge and asked me what I thought was the best route to get lower - which we did
we also roper together - which we should have done at the start and I took the one and only ice axe as I was trained to use it

We were damn lucky and should never have been up in that snow without better equipment

The leader was a bit of a prat at times

but i have to have a lot of respect for him in that he got us all together and basically said he had been an idiot and irresponsible and apologised in a very humble manner
which was a massive thing for someone like him to do

I also knew a bloke a few years later who was fully trained and everything and was "playing in the snow" on top of a mountain with his friend and his girlfriend
when she slid further and faster than expected and went off a cliff - a proper vertical type cliff

He said to me after that he was basically going down to retrieve a body after it happened - he was amazed that she survived



In dangerous condition you basically need to avoid them if possible and never take anything for granted
 
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