What Do You See?

[Jody]

Isn't it sad that we can't have the confidence to say that nobody would do that?.

Not that its right either way but I think that was more p*ss poor and arogant driving than targeted.

 

[classic33]

My only "defence" of the first poster shown is that as far as I'm aware it's Australian in origin. Helmets are compulsory.

I don't wear lycra or specialist clothing. And I use a recumbent as well, the only one round these parts.

We can change what we wear, the harder change to get done would be other peoples attitudes. There's that stupid question asked, if you are hit and get treatment, "Were you wearing a helmet at the time of the incident", I tried pointing out the major injury was to the lower half(left leg in particular, which took the full force of the impact) but still got asked that question. For the purpose of recording the incident for the statistics "correctly".

I'd say the increase in those of us who use camers(carried a single-use one for 20 years) reflects how well we trust things to be recorded by the police.

There's a test centre near me, I'd love to get either of the two posters displayed inside or just on the exit. Every local driving school/instructor visit it.

I've twice made the offer, on local radio stations, when cyclists have been mentioned of paying the road tax of any vehicle, upon completion of the road tax form, when "cyclists don't pay road tax" was brought up. No claims yet though.

The bickering over helmets is like the road tax and insurance. Other people saying we should have these. Many not realising there's a large number of us who have the latter. On the street outside me, there's twenty vehicles, six have no valid VED, with one being a company vehicle, whose driver will come out with the no road tax or insurance excuse. Why are they on the road? The laws are already in place, just not being enforced.

I'll cycle wearing what I want, not what others feel should be worn. On roads, not pavements where a sign has been placed, indicating shared use.

Can anyone produce a similar poster of an everyday cyclist? If they can I'd be willing to get it put in places where it can be seen.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Not that its right wither way but I think that was more p*ss poor and arogant driving than targeted.

When the attitude displayed in a close pass is "fark it, they're only cyclists", then that's targeted.

 

[Jody]

On the street outside me, there's twenty vehicles, six have no valid VED, with one being a company vehicle, whose driver will come out with the no road tax or insurance excuse. Why are they on the road? The laws are already in place, just not being enforced.

Let the DVLA know. You will soon see 6 cars clamped on the main road and a sticker in the window

 

[classic33]

Let the DVLA know. You will soon see 6 cars clamped on the main road and a sticker in the window

They have been, more than once. Even reported the company marked vehicle(van) for pavement parking by their driver.

The drivers response was first taken to the police, not interested, then the local paper, who did a small piece warning drivers there actions whilst driving may be caught on camera.

 

[Deleted member 1258]

Let the DVLA know. You will soon see 6 cars clamped on the main road and a sticker in the window

They do checks in Coventry, its not unusual to see clamped cars, they were near us the other week, I noticed several clamped cars with stickers on the windscreens on our road and the next one.

 

[Globalti]

All the cyclists I saw in London last weekend were respecting the highway code but as long as a minority of cyclists continue to flout the rules, a minority of drivers will continue to hate us.

 

[Deleted member 1258]

Can anyone produce a similar poster of an everyday cyclist? If they can I'd be willing to get it put in places where it can be seen.

If someone can? Post it on here and tag me and I'll get it up on my facebook page as well.

 

[Deleted member 1258]

Isn't it sad that we can't have the confidence to say that nobody would do that?




I don't know of any group of cyclists attacking and abusing others on the road, or giving them 2-inch flybys because their choice is different.

I've not seen it on the road but I've seen people on cycling forums giving other people grief because the way they cycle doesn't fit in with their perception of how cycling should be done or the equipment they're using.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

They have been, more than once. Even reported the company marked vehicle(van) for pavement parking by their driver.

The drivers response was first taken to the police, not interested, then the local paper, who did a small piece warning drivers there actions whilst driving may be caught on camera.

I use this and the response is very quick.
https://www.gov.uk/report-untaxed-vehicle
Vehicle clamped within three days and seized 24 hours after clamp goes on.

 

[bozmandb9]

My only "defence" of the first poster shown is that as far as I'm aware it's Australian in origin. Helmets are compulsory.

I don't wear lycra or specialist clothing. And I use a recumbent as well, the only one round these parts.

We can change what we wear, the harder change to get done would be other peoples attitudes. There's that stupid question asked, if you are hit and get treatment, "Were you wearing a helmet at the time of the incident", I tried pointing out the major injury was to the lower half(left leg in particular, which took the full force of the impact) but still got asked that question. For the purpose of recording the incident for the statistics "correctly".

I'd say the increase in those of us who use camers(carried a single-use one for 20 years) reflects how well we trust things to be recorded by the police.

There's a test centre near me, I'd love to get either of the two posters displayed inside or just on the exit. Every local driving school/instructor visit it.

I've twice made the offer, on local radio stations, when cyclists have been mentioned of paying the road tax of any vehicle, upon completion of the road tax form, when "cyclists don't pay road tax" was brought up. No claims yet though.

The bickering over helmets is like the road tax and insurance. Other people saying we should have these. Many not realising there's a large number of us who have the latter. On the street outside me, there's twenty vehicles, six have no valid VED, with one being a company vehicle, whose driver will come out with the no road tax or insurance excuse. Why are they on the road? The laws are already in place, just not being enforced.

I'll cycle wearing what I want, not what others feel should be worn. On roads, not pavements where a sign has been placed, indicating shared use.

Can anyone produce a similar poster of an everyday cyclist? If they can I'd be willing to get it put in places where it can be seen.

Part of me thinks almost that we should pay 'Road tax' or rather Vehicle Excise Duty. Although it would obviously be at zero rate, it might perhaps be useful in helping to confirm and keep track of ownership of bikes. As for insurance, it would also be good in a way if there was a mandatory scheme, apart from anything just to ensure that cyclists have access to proper representation when there is an incident.

Obviously there would need to be exemptions for children, and ideally some sort of cut off point for very occasional cyclists.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

All the cyclists I saw in London last weekend were respecting the highway code but as long as a minority of cyclists continue to flout the rules, a minority of drivers will continue to hate us.

Ah, a variation of the collective responsibility fallacy.

 

[classic33]

Part of me thinks almost that we should pay 'Road tax' or rather Vehicle Excise Duty. Although it would obviously be at zero rate, it might perhaps be useful in helping to confirm and keep track of ownership of bikes. As for insurance, it would also be good in a way if there was a mandatory scheme, apart from anything just to ensure that cyclists have access to proper representation when there is an incident.

Obviously there would need to be exemptions for children, and ideally some sort of cut off point for very occasional cyclists.

VED at the zero rate can be turned round to "They're getting it for free!", making the current situation worse.

I've tried to register & "tax" the Brox. Sending the local office into chaos. Register myself as the keeper/
operator of a trailer(BAW nine foot Truss Trailer). The person handling the case was on his first day in a new department when handed the paperwork sent in. At Bradford Interchange when he phoned the number given. I'd then to explain that it was a genuine application, and why it was needed. Local council wanted it registering(their paperwork filled and awaiting the certificate) for use on the roads. The supplied answer being used on the council paperwork, which they had to send off and put on the weekly planning applications.

I don't think they expected anyone to actually try doing it, much less complete it. Their barriers thrown up against cycling on the roads were removed.

Insurance, if mandatory should extend to all. There's no "Occassional Motorist" rate, equal terms. It doesn't guarantee that because you've got it, you'll be treated any different to now. That will need a change of attitude to be effective. Use your bike for work, you'll probably invalidate your current insurance. They like finding ways of taking your money and then avoid paying out. For the application above, I was looking at a five figure quote.

As for using either to track ownership, validate the person using it, there's enough motor vehicles out there with incorrect details being used. The best example of late, was the current PM's battlebus. The registraion plate belonged to a lorry, in use elsewhere.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Part of me thinks almost that we should pay 'Road tax' or rather Vehicle Excise Duty. Although it would obviously be at zero rate, it might perhaps be useful in helping to confirm and keep track of ownership of bikes.

This is, frankly, absurd.

You're suggesting the introduction of a whole new tier of bureaucracy, along with creation of a huge database of all bicycles and their owners. This system will be expensive and, being zero-rated, who do you suggest pays for this?

 

[classic33]

This is, frankly, absurd.

You're suggesting the introduction of a whole new tier of bureaucracy, along with creation of a huge database of all bicycles and their owners. This system will be expensive and, being zero-rated, who do you suggest pays for this?

Who do you think will feel they are paying for it?

Change attitudes first, then once that's done, consider other means. Not before.