What do you use for ID when....

[HLaB]

My GLW a Dundonian who doesn't drive has to have a passport if she wishes to fly to her own home city - !
Nuts - !

When I first went to Ireland in circa 2000, I flew a few times just with a driving license (I didn't actually have a Passport). Then certain guards would get @rsey even though Ryanair were still advertising you didn't need a passport on a Ireland to UK flight. You probably do now thanks to Brexsh1t.

 

[Pat "5mph"]

Does that work on a dumb phone? Google wallet that is.

Lol, no you need a smart phone.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

I’m not suggesting surrendering anything

By advocating for compulsory ID cards you advocate for the surrender of the right to privacy.

 

[simongt]

advocate for the surrender of the right to privacy.

About fifty years ago, the presenter James Burke did an episode on personal security. He asked the studio audience how many 'personal details' were stored in the various pre IT & Internet legal 'storage facilities'.
The audience came up with the obvious ones, 'name, rank, serial number, N.I. number, address ' etc., etc., but when he put up the full list on the screen ( I can't recall the list after over fifty years I'm afraid ), the whole audience were shocked at the actual amount of personal detail that was stored somewhere on most folk.
And that, as I said was over fifty years ago - !

 

[classic33]

When I first went to Ireland in circa 2000, I flew a few times just with a driving license (I didn't actually have a Passport). Then certain guards would get @rsey even though Ryanair were still advertising you didn't need a passport on a Ireland to UK flight. You probably do now thanks to Brexsh1t.

The whole passport requirement for flights within the UK, or the UK and Ireland is, and has been, a con since Ryanair introduced it.

Both countries are in the Common Travel Area, where passports are not a legal requirement, for a national of either country, to move between them. You just need to proof of permanent residence in either. I had the argument with port security at Holyhead at three in the morning. They insisted I needed one, I said I didn't.

 

[Paulus]

The whole passport requirement for flights within the UK, or the UK and Ireland is, and has been, a con since Ryanair introduced it.

Both countries are in the Common Travel Area, where passports are not a legal requirement, for a national of either country, to move between them. You just need to proof of permanent residence in either. I had the argument with port security at Holyhead at three in the morning. They insisted I needed one, I said I didn't.

I thought you just needed photo proof of who you were. It could be a bus pass or a work pass, as long as your name was on it.

 

[classic33]

I thought you just needed photo proof of who you were. It could be a bus pass or a work pass, as long as your name was on it.

I used a letter from North Wales Police and a letter from Holyhead's Port Director, both showing the same postage address. And I offered to phone either of them for them.

 

[presta]

Paying in more than you wanted to take out.

You're just making it up, I wasn't paying anything in. I withdrew £180 the first time, and had to make do with £50 instead of the £100 I wanted the second time.

You could have verified yourself in the branch, using their card readers, which work off the chip, not the strip.

No they don't. Both the ATM and the reader on the counter failed because they need both the chip and the magnetic strip.

You want to drive, you need the licence. Part and parcel of driving these days.

I don't want to drive, so I don't need a licence to drive. What I want is access to services that need ID without being told I need a driving licence.

And I don't carry "a filing cabinet full of documents".

Well what are you using then?

Either the Prudential Regulation Authority or the Financial Conduct Authority will, assuming that the YHA is governed by their rules/regulations.

Why would the PRA or FCA have any interest in the YHA?

"Friction free access" is you becoming lazy in your ways. I preferred the passbooks, and going in to the branch for cash.

Everyone else had been using ATMs for 20-25 years before I first started using them, I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole back in the days of the phantom withdrawal scandal.

This whole debate is precisely back to front, ID cards don't need to be compulsory to own, they need to be compulsory to accept. That way the people who want one can have one, and expect that it won't get rejected, whilst the people who don't want one can carry on using the disorganised ad hoc system we've already got. You only need to look at the confusion on here about who accepts what to see that the whole system's a complete dogs dinner.

 

[Pblakeney]

Some people do appear to go out of their way to complicate their lives in order to make their lives easier.

 

[classic33]

You're just making it up, I wasn't paying anything in. I withdrew £180 the first time, and had to make do with £50 instead of the £100 I wanted the second time.

No they don't. Both the ATM and the reader on the counter failed because they need both the chip and the magnetic strip.

I don't want to drive, so I don't need a licence to drive. What I want is access to services that need ID without being told I need a driving licence.

Well what are you using then?


Why would the PRA or FCA have any interest in the YHA?

Everyone else had been using ATMs for 20-25 years before I first started using them, I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole back in the days of the phantom withdrawal scandal.

This whole debate is precisely back to front, ID cards don't need to be compulsory to own, they need to be compulsory to accept. That way the people who want one can have one, and expect that it won't get rejected, whilst the people who don't want one can carry on using the disorganised ad hoc system we've already got. You only need to look at the confusion on here about who accepts what to see that the whole system's a complete dogs dinner.

I misread, you attempted to get cash using a cheque the second time, not paying it in the first time. I'd have declined you anything the second time. You were lucky on your second attempt.

No, the card readers used in branch rely on the chip only. The PDQ's in branches don't even rely on the magnetic strip when the card is inserted. They have a separate piece on the righthand side of them for reading the magnetic strip. In much the same fashion as the ones in any retail outlet. Soley contactless terminals use neither.
Having just checked my first card issued by the then Trustees Savings Bank, received on the 8th September 1993*, there is no chip present, on the surface at least. Technology has moved on since then it seems.

Get a decent front light and place it behind your non working card, then turn it on. You'll be able to see three thin metal strips that lead from the chip to an area on the right-hand side of the card. They're there for the contactless side of your card. If you've broke the magnetic strip, and it's visible, the chances are you've also broken this part of your card.

So if you don't require, or even want, the driving licence, why bring it into the equation? The passport, which I don't have, remains top of the list for ID purposes. Photo driving licence is second or else third.


*I've this habit of dating the card when I sign them.

 

[Alex321]

Not being popular is of no interest. As a country we put up with a level of crime, much of which is not reported.

Are is NO evidence that ID cards make any significant difference to that.

A very large proportion of those countries with compulsory ID cards also have much higher crime rates than teh UK.

In my opinion having people who are supposed to be here and not involved in crime are more important. Statistics and graphs can be manipulated to show what “facts” are needed.

So want us turning into police state?

There are plenty of those around, please go and live in one of them.

IF the carrying of ID helps annoy/inconvenience people that don’t belong or are involved in crime bring it on.

Even though it will annoy and inco0nveniennce everybody else even more.

In reality as can be seen by this thread for all practical purposes those going about their lawful business require it.

Utter rubbish. There is NOTHING in this thread that suggests any such thing.

There are SOME things, which are very much outside day to day business, for which some form of ID is required.

Yes, you need ID of some form to open a bank account. Something I doubt most of us do as often as once a decade.

I've just spent months proving who we are and what we do for my family businesses Spanish banker. As I have learned if we were to change bank there would be many more hurdles to get over.

And a UK ID card would have helped you just how, exactly?

Put another way, what have you got to hide if you don’t want ID.

What on earth does it have to do with wanting to hide anything?

I do NOT want to live in a police state. n ID card which would have the effect you want would mean it would have to be compulsory to carry it, and provide it on request, without any suspicion of you having done anything wrong. That is a police state.

 

[Alex321]

I’m not suggesting surrendering anything

If you think that, then you simply don't understand what you are suggesting.

 

[Alex321]

And I don't carry "a filing cabinet full of documents".

Well what are you using then?

The same as most of us. Nothing.

You have had an issue where it would have helped. But it is a VERY rare issue indeed. In close to 5 years, itheyself nor my wife have EVER had a credit or debit card fail in the way yours has. And I suspect that is true for most people, with those who have had such an issue only having had it a very few times in their life.

It isn't worth carrying around those documents for such rare occurrences.

 

[YMFB]

Are is NO evidence that ID cards make any significant difference to that.

A very large proportion of those countries with compulsory ID cards also have much higher crime rates than teh UK.



So want us turning into police state?

There are plenty of those around, please go and live in one of them.


Even though it will annoy and inco0nveniennce everybody else even more.


Utter rubbish. There is NOTHING in this thread that suggests any such thing.

There are SOME things, which are very much outside day to day business, for which some form of ID is required.

Yes, you need ID of some form to open a bank account. Something I doubt most of us do as often as once a decade.


And a UK ID card would have helped you just how, exactly?



What on earth does it have to do with wanting to hide anything?

I do NOT want to live in a police state. n ID card which would have the effect you want would mean it would have to be compulsory to carry it, and provide it on request, without any suspicion of you having done anything wrong. That is a police state.

Having traveled the world widely, including countries where the police have far greater powers than ours, carrying ID is not even close to being a police state.

The carrying of ID may have flaws as does not carrying it. Inconveniencing terrorists, criminals and others who want to be anonymous for other nefarious reasons is in MY OPINION, worth while.

Clearly you are a better keyboard warrior than I so I will get on my bike and leave you to it.

Enjoy your day

 

[wiggydiggy]

I would suggest one of those warning letters from the BBC to say you have left them with no choice but to send the goons round, and woe betide you if you're watching telly. The problem is they don't know who you are. Your name is not on the letters.

It could work, but I'd have to change my name to "The Occupier"