What is cycling to you?

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PaulSB

Squire
Deeply offensive?
Yes, that's right. If someone says to me "Don't worry we'll wait for you" it implies I'm not good enough, fast enough to keep up and that the group is going to show no consideration for others on the ride.

I know my level, I don't join rides in which I can't hold my own. So to effectively tell me I'm not good enough really pisses me off.

lazybloke "can I join your ride?"
Paul "no, you're not good enough"

That's effectively what "we'll wait for you" means.
 
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silva

Über Member
Location
Belgium
For me cycling is a cheapest way to get somewhere.
And the freedom to pass wherever.
Though just like happened to cars it also began to detoriate, here especially since 2020, signs that forbid bicycles appeared, and some stayed. Also the crap to constantly have to go to an other side of the road to just procees in same direction, while before one could ride from one place to another all the way without a single side change. And if you have to cross, you have to look behind you, an annoyant thing especially in bad weather.

In a past, I rode to work with a car. In case queues there were alternative local roads, 24 instead of 20 km but much shorter in time. But they started to block those, forcing to join and make queues longer. A bicycle in all weather with no backup, no.

After some years (7), among reasons being fed up with the queues, I decided to change work to closer, a much more acceptable 8 km, to be able to dump car and a bicycle instead. The drawback of suffering bad weather was outweighted by no car cost, annual inspection, insurance etc anymore, and the re-ability to ride wherever just like car before. Later I changed work again, making it 11 km, with as plus earlier hours, so after work I had some hours to get elsewhere before shops closing hours.

So, for me, bicycle was a way to retake previous freedom.
My bicycle-specific choices (now fixed gear) had pretty much the same motivation.
In this subject, I'm now where I wanted to be: a minimalized dependency on others, that is, freedom. No months waiting for repair, no botched jobs and crap parts to discover, I choosed the bikes parts so that sprockets and chain, the typical wear parts, I can do myself without any special tools / knowledge / experience.

As soon I had found parts and tested, I bought a stock of them, same reason: not dependent on others anymore, which already proved needed since single supplier Velosolo ceased business, and also cost saver due to prices rising significantly since the lockdowns and later on the economic boycots/sanctions.

For a same reason I never considered joining a cyclist group, while it's more fun / interesting / help avail if needed, it soon becomes an obligation and thus gives in freedom. I ceased to ride longer distances than 20/25 km (from home), as to in case problem, walking/limping back is not extreme, and also roads with some traffic, so in case a no fixable along the road, car drivers might decide to give me (and the bike) a lift, which happened once.

Of course, another plus of cycling was fysical condition improvement. In the beginning back home was a pfhew. Now I can still do whatever including repeating the ride (in case things I couldn't get home in one ride).
And, it's a daily coming out of the house, although bad weather started to make me stay or limit it to absolutely needed.
I have had a home trainer, but it's sooooo boring, even outside the house.
 

Drago

Legendary Member
I do wonder if I'm as spacially unaware as some the few people I cycle with.
One, a long term friend I've also skied with is totally unaware. Wanders across the road, changes speed or stops spontaneously, doesn't read the traffic. Requires hydration and then disposal.
I've learned to keep about 10m space at least. Leading or following there is no better safe zone.
On the other hand I am a paragon of cycling virtue. I suppose my example is too hard for normal humans to follow.
You are wise.

Safe group riding requires discipline and attention to task, and a series of drills to be executed automatically as the road situation dictates. Everyone on the ball, everyone riding in a matter immediately predicatble to everyone else. Old pilots. Bold pilots.

One shouldm not be blithely wobbling about the road in an ever changing formation, never looking anywhere other than 15 feet dead ahead, while their attention is on discussing last night's TV. The BC and CUK group rides are hilariously dodgy. No thanks.

Sadly roo many twits ride like they drive, and then wonder why it goes wrong.
 

Webbo2

Über Member
You are wise.

Safe group riding requires discipline and attention to task, and a series of drills to be executed automatically as the road situation dictates. Everyone on the ball, everyone riding in a matter immediately predicatble to everyone else. Old pilots. Bold pilots.

One shouldm not be blithely wobbling about the road in an ever changing formation, never looking anywhere other than 15 feet dead ahead, while their attention is on discussing last night's TV. The BC and CUK group rides are hilariously dodgy. No thanks.

Sadly roo many twits ride like they drive, and then wonder why it goes wrong.

God help you if you ever ride a road race.🤣🤣🤣🤣
 

Vantage

Carbon fibre... LMAO!!!
Yes, that's right. If someone says to me "Don't worry we'll wait for you" it implies I'm not good enough, fast enough to keep up and that the group is going to show no consideration for others on the ride.

I know my level, I don't join rides in which I can't hold my own. So to effectively tell me I'm not good enough really pisses me off.

lazybloke "can I join your ride?"
Paul "no, you're not good enough"

That's effectively what "we'll wait for you" means.

I had similar with Bolton Clarion years ago.
We wait for slower riders they said. I was a slower rider. Yes, they did wait once in a while. However...I joined the club to ride WITH others. Not to spend miles on my own wondering where the heck they'd gone. That was the main reason I bought my first ever GPS. We'd ride somewhere I wasn't familiar with, I'd be left behind and then the fear of not knowing where I was, how to get home if I didn't find the others, how would I cope if my diabetes took a turn for the worse and my supplies ran out etc etc.
That "we'll wait for you" killed the enjoyment of so many rides.
I could see their side of things...if they have to slow to keep to my pace then they freeze through not working hard enough to stay warm but still...it wasn't nice.
 

AlBaker

Bikel-ist
That "we'll wait for you" killed the enjoyment of so many rides.
When I got back into cycling, that was one of the things I considered. The only local group I found made it clear that I'd have to be able to ride at 21 mph.

I had already been through that in a motorcycle group that used to ride hell-for-leather. On one ride another rider (new club member) was behind me and when we finally arrived at the destination, far behind everyone else, he asked me what speed we were doing. His speedometer pinned at 75. I told him we were doing over 80 mph, (on country lanes) and I had my wife on the back. Following a monthly club meeting it was agreed that each one look out for the rider behind them. That way if one has to stop, we all stop. That never worked out because nobody was watching for the riders behind them. I gave up trying to keep up with them at high speeds, so I turned around and went home. That evening the club captain called to ask me what happened. I said I didn't join a club to ride by myself. "Oh, we'd wait for you," was his response. It works the same way whatever speed we do, so I ride alone.

Incidentally, that motorcycle club decided (after I quit the group) to slow things down after one of the riders ran off the road and hit a guard rail.
 
Location
Widnes
I had similar with Bolton Clarion years ago.
We wait for slower riders they said. I was a slower rider. Yes, they did wait once in a while. However...I joined the club to ride WITH others. Not to spend miles on my own wondering where the heck they'd gone. That was the main reason I bought my first ever GPS. We'd ride somewhere I wasn't familiar with, I'd be left behind and then the fear of not knowing where I was, how to get home if I didn't find the others, how would I cope if my diabetes took a turn for the worse and my supplies ran out etc etc.
That "we'll wait for you" killed the enjoyment of so many rides.
I could see their side of things...if they have to slow to keep to my pace then they freeze through not working hard enough to stay warm but still...it wasn't nice.

If you advertise a product - like the ride at the cycling club - then you should be prepared to stick to what you said

OK you were slow
so stick with you for one ride - then talk about how to sort it out for next time

saying it then abandoning you is just immoral and dishonest
 

Dogtrousers

Lefty tighty. Get it righty.
Way back I was a member of a club and I was encouraged to move up to a faster level of ride. I could keep up just about, much of the time but it was hard work. They did stop and wait periodically and were very nice about it. A bit too nice actually because when I finally decided to bail and make my own way the ride leader seemed to regard this as a failure on his part. I had a real job convincing him - no I am not lost. I know exactly where I am and how to get home. I really don't need you to wait. Everyone will be much happier if I drop out now. Eventually we parted amicably and the next week I was back in the slow group.
 
Location
Widnes
I knew someone once who did local walks for groups
He generally had at least 2 people he could trust on the walk if there were some new people

If it was necessary - and OK with the people involved - he could them leave someone behind with a helper to either take a shorter route of make their way home together
so never left alone
 
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AlBaker

Bikel-ist
I genuinely don't get the tearing along hell for leather thing. The whole point of cycling as a form of transport is leisurely rides out seeing stuff, shopping and adventure, not recreating the Tour de France dressed in team colours. For me at least anyway.

I enjoy riding around our county and seeing the many things car drivers would not notice. I can stop and sip water or take a photo any time I felt like it. Riding alone is a pleasure for me.
 

Dogtrousers

Lefty tighty. Get it righty.
I genuinely don't get the tearing along hell for leather thing. The whole point of cycling as a form of transport is leisurely rides out seeing stuff, shopping and adventure, not recreating the Tour de France dressed in team colours. For me at least anyway.

Thing is, different people ride at different paces. What is "tearing along hell for leather" for me is another person's relaxed ride. It's even possible that my relaxed rides might be a bit quick for some people, but that group is dwindling as time passes.
 

presta

Legendary Member
Arrived at the potel and check in.
Requires a car registration number.
But we cycled, where can we keep our bikes, locked up safely?
Beautiful, amazed, incredulous looks and glances exchanged between the staff
It was all worth it.
When I rocked up at Port Eynon hostel, the warden was so chuffed to hear that I'd cycled all the way down from Essex she went and fetched her mate to come and have a chat too.
When I rang to book a bed at Newcastle YHA the warden asked if I wanted the postcode for the GPS:
"No thanks, I'm cycling"
"Oh, well done!"
Some years ago when I was a warehouse person and cycled the couple3 of miles to work, I was asked If I'd be happy doing a secondment at another of the firm's warehouses on the other side of the city; about five miles from home.
Yup I said, nae bother, then the manager looked at me and in all seriousness said 'You cycle to work, will the extra distance be an issue - ?'
Yew wot - ? I thought - ! :eek:
Ten years later I was doing the 25 mile round trip to another of the firm's warehouses for ten years until I 'moved on'- ! ^_^
Yup, I cycle to work - ! :laugh:
I used to work on the fourth floor, and people thought I was crackers because I always ran up the stairs instead of waiting for the lift.
 
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