What is the definition of "aggressive"?

[twentysix by twentyfive]

Is there a word for a flounce by the OP which includes deleting the OP thus defenestrating the thread?

aflouncetration?

 

[Milkfloat]

Oh look, OP removed, this thread might be done. Just when I had formed an opinion. Never mind, perhaps next time.

This might help stop confusion for new people to the thread:

"Since (non-offensive) posts were removed from another thread and we were admonished to start a new thread instead (and thus rob such posts of their context), I would like to know:

- what is the difference / dividing line is between "assertive", "aggressive" and "bloody-minded" in the context of a cyclist's behaviour on the road?

- how being "bloody-minded" can be viewed as not a form of aggression (passive or otherwise), assuming that that assumption is correct in the first place?

Let me note at this point that this thread, as instructed, is not in any way related to the thread from which it was removed. So I'm just looking for answers to the questions above. And nothing else. No personal attacks, wild generalisations or cross-references to actual events please."

 

[Electric_Andy]

and, come to think of it, taking primary in the outside lane of an urban (ignored) 30mph limit DC so I can turn right at the roundabout to go into the supermarket is many local drivers' definition of bloody-minded cycling.

Yes good point, but I was referring to the actions/intentions of the cyclist rather than the perception of other drivers of said action.

 

[bonsaibilly]

It was a social experiment in removing context and in examining the differences between the aforementioned terms. BB

 

[twentysix by twentyfive]

I'd like an antisocial experiment now please.

Did that work Rocky?

 

[bonsaibilly]

I'd like an antisocial experiment now please.

Just go for a drive while some Cyclechatters are out on a ride, that should give you what you want.

BB

 

[bonsaibilly]

Have you ever cycled with any of us?

Neh.BB

 

[shouldbeinbed]

assertive is win win,

aggressive is win lose

bloody minded is lose lose

 

[jefmcg]

bloody minded is lose lose

Remember "bloody minded" means obstinate. I think Gandhi's passive resistance could be described as bloody-minded. That was a good thing.

 

[jefmcg]

Assertive and aggressive are on a spectrum. We probably agree on the extremes (eg when offered a seat you don't want, "No thank you" is assertive, while "do I look f*cking disabled?" is aggressive). The exact point that assertive becomes aggressive is in the eye of the beholder. Like in this image, where does red become orange? We all have an opinion on where that point is, but no one is right. It varies depending on our experience, perception, neurological makeup, education etc etc.

 

[shouldbeinbed]

Remember "bloody minded" means obstinate. I think Gandhi's passive resistance could be described as bloody-minded. That was a good thing.

Fair point, tho I'm not sure I'd call Ghandi bloody minded or obstinate, Churchill's attitude to that era India smacks more of bloody minded obstinacy IMO.

I guess such things run through our own filters.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Yes good point, but I was referring to the actions/intentions of the cyclist rather than the perception of other drivers of said action.

In order to
a) ride a bike on the road in my home town
b) ride to that shop on that DC
c) turn right at that roundabout

requires the cyclist to be bloody-minded. Obstinate. Intractable. Indefatigible.

In the matter of cycling from his front door to the supermarket of his choice.

 

[Profpointy]

I don't know, but defenestrate is one of my favourite words. I love the fact there is a word to specifically describe the act of throwing someone from a window.

An important word. Didn't the defenestration of Prague start the 30 years war?

 

[vernon]

An important word. Didn't the defenestration of Prague start the 30 years war?

They threw Prague out of the window?

Was it one of those big panoramic ones?

 

[Aperitif]

An important word. Didn't the defenestration of Prague start the 30 years war?

Hard to say. It was either a funny thurn of events or maybe just a window of opportunity.