What is the offence here ?
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gaz
Cycle Camera TV
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- South Croydon
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No offence as far as i can see, but getting out of your vehicle and stopping traffic in the road to mouth off is probably not going to be seen as normal behaviour.
Section 5 of the public order act is the only thing that can be classed as an offence.
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For those who are a bit lazy ^
No offence as far as i can see, but getting out of your vehicle and stopping traffic in the road to mouth off is probably not going to be seen as normal behaviour.
Section 5 of the public order act is the only thing that can be classed as an offence.
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exbfb
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I think it's fair to say that WVM got off light due to the cyclists being what appear to be well mannered individuals.
On another day with another cyclist, I suspect it might have gone more along the lines of "Who the **** do you think you're stopping" ? Quickly followed by an attitude realignment lesson.
Maybe that's my west of Scotland mentality coming to the fore though.
On another day with another cyclist, I suspect it might have gone more along the lines of "Who the **** do you think you're stopping" ? Quickly followed by an attitude realignment lesson.
Maybe that's my west of Scotland mentality coming to the fore though.
err no offence, its the inability of people to comprehend the text in the highway code which says ' keep left '..
that means, dont ride down the right hand land of a dual carriageway. it doesnt mean 'bike should stick in the gutter'..
wonder if that van is one which has the lower dual carriageway speed limit? bet he doesnt know that either...
that means, dont ride down the right hand land of a dual carriageway. it doesnt mean 'bike should stick in the gutter'..
wonder if that van is one which has the lower dual carriageway speed limit? bet he doesnt know that either...
The man in the van was wrong to do what he did... the lecture was good comedy, but wrong.
Stepping into the road to stop the cyclists was enterprising, but wrong.
Pulling across back in front of the cyclists as soon as he did and then braking right ahead of them was wrong.
Although his body language was aggressive, he did just want to make a point, which I thought (almost) sweet.
The C4 coupe also cuts in rather close, but he appears also to have been incommoded (judging by the preceding dialogue).
However, in mitigation of WVM's actions, I did think the cyclists were slightly oblivious to the welfare of motorists.
It's clear from the footage that there was a fair amount of traffic and that there was a danger that cars might bunch up and get caught by the speed differential between the lanes.
The riders even discuss this as they pedal.
Yet they continue to do so, choosing instead to aportion blame as they cause another bottleneck behind them.
They broke no law and were not riding in contravention of the HC, but if you cause a succession of motorists to brake and change lane in traffic, you might want to get into file.
If my children rode like that and then came home quoting the Highway Code and their right to do so, I'd wonder why I ever encouraged them to ride on the road (which they all do and all love doing).
It's not all about the Highway Code and getting one over on WVM. The WVM in the clip is wrong, but the cyclists are not the most considerate. And I love their apology.
Stepping into the road to stop the cyclists was enterprising, but wrong.
Pulling across back in front of the cyclists as soon as he did and then braking right ahead of them was wrong.
Although his body language was aggressive, he did just want to make a point, which I thought (almost) sweet.
The C4 coupe also cuts in rather close, but he appears also to have been incommoded (judging by the preceding dialogue).
However, in mitigation of WVM's actions, I did think the cyclists were slightly oblivious to the welfare of motorists.
It's clear from the footage that there was a fair amount of traffic and that there was a danger that cars might bunch up and get caught by the speed differential between the lanes.
The riders even discuss this as they pedal.
Yet they continue to do so, choosing instead to aportion blame as they cause another bottleneck behind them.
They broke no law and were not riding in contravention of the HC, but if you cause a succession of motorists to brake and change lane in traffic, you might want to get into file.
If my children rode like that and then came home quoting the Highway Code and their right to do so, I'd wonder why I ever encouraged them to ride on the road (which they all do and all love doing).
It's not all about the Highway Code and getting one over on WVM. The WVM in the clip is wrong, but the cyclists are not the most considerate. And I love their apology.
Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
- Location
- Cwmbach, South Wales
I am surprised that you say no offence. It looked to me as though the WVM deliberately cut up the cyclists and them caused them to stop by blocking there path. I may be wrong but I am pretty sure there are two offences there.
GrasB
Veteran
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- Nr Cambridge
Bicycle, where the is the space to safely get a cyclist & 2 cars side by side on road?
Simply put there isn't! Note that in the second image both vehicles are farely wide in there lane meaning that a cyclist would have to be gutter to give a chance of an overtake. Thus if a motorist was to pass in a safe manner giving due road space to a cyclist they would need to take up a significant fraction of the off-side lane. This means cyclists riding 2 (, 3 or possibly even 4) abreast is a completely mute point for holding up traffic.
Simply put there isn't! Note that in the second image both vehicles are farely wide in there lane meaning that a cyclist would have to be gutter to give a chance of an overtake. Thus if a motorist was to pass in a safe manner giving due road space to a cyclist they would need to take up a significant fraction of the off-side lane. This means cyclists riding 2 (, 3 or possibly even 4) abreast is a completely mute point for holding up traffic.
I've had another peep and it seems to me there is room there.
Many, many cyclists would filter (some at speed) in those lanes between or alongside two lines of moving cars.
I think I'd filter between or alongside cars on those lanes.
I'd have no complaints if a car or van were to pass me there and stay in lane.
I do think (as I said) that the van driver is wrong (the C4 driver too). But I don't think the cyclists are entirely blameless. Many will disagree with me on that.
I have re-read my earlier posting and I still feel as I did when I wrote it.
GrasB
Veteran
- Location
- Nr Cambridge
Really? Assuming you take up a reasonable road position (about where the vans nearside wheel is) you'd have less than the width of the 'L' between you & the car. If I'm travelling at a reasonable speed hitting a half inch stone or a gust of wind catching me by surprise could easily cause me to use that space up in correcting the bike & regaining proper balance.
gaz
Cycle Camera TV
- Location
- South Croydon
Do you even ride a bicycle?
You clearly have no understanding of the difference between a man on some tubes of metal / carbon and a man surrounded by several tones of metal.
As a car/van/lorry etc.. moves past a cyclist it creates a large amount of turbulence in the air, such turbulence can push / pull cyclists around if they are too close to it.
Some cyclists also make a swerving action if they don't read the road well enough and try to avoid a pot hole. And as such, any larger vehicle should give them plenty of space when passing.
Where as, stationary vehicles are not moving, and the turbulence created by a man on some tubes is so little that it doesn't affect any of the people inside the vehicle. And if a bicycle does happen to crash or hit into a car/van/lorry etc.. who is going to be hurt? Where as if a car/van/lorry crashes into a cyclist, who is going to get hurt?
What are you views on this one? Should i be cycling on the yellow lines?
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exbfb
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My own point of view is to treat a cycle as if it were the size of a car. I need that amount of space before I'll make an attempt at a pass.
I have to say that we're not too bad around here and that appears to be the attitude of many people, but living on the outskirts of a new town, with large amounts of fast moving traffic on dual carriageways, I try to avoid many roads. Some appear to be too narrow where people won't give you the room you need. other are the dual carriageways where I feel unsafe for different reasons.
Where I live, it's single carriageways but quite broad.
I have to say that we're not too bad around here and that appears to be the attitude of many people, but living on the outskirts of a new town, with large amounts of fast moving traffic on dual carriageways, I try to avoid many roads. Some appear to be too narrow where people won't give you the room you need. other are the dual carriageways where I feel unsafe for different reasons.
Where I live, it's single carriageways but quite broad.
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- The TerrorVortex
I don't think there was room for an overtake there, two abreast or not.
And as for 'causing traffic', well words fail me.
Do cyclists somehow give birth to cars?
And as for 'causing traffic', well words fail me.
Do cyclists somehow give birth to cars?
BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
- Location
- South London
LOL at the idea of sharing that narrow lane with a vehicle. I mean you can do it, it's your choice, but that's poor cycling. Those cyclists were entirely justified in taking the lane.
I think you guys have nailed it. I'm a poor cyclist, as one of you suggests.
You are all completely right.
I have ridden a bicycle, but quite understand your doubting that I have.
I just don't have a problem with cars coming up close to me and I'm a poor, poor, poor cyclist because of that.
I think you are all right and lots of motorists are very, very wrong.
Many car drivers are bad, bad, naughty people and the problem is them and the pro-motoring lobby.
I feel just awful now.
All those years I thought I was doing OK.
Cripes! I'll get myself a helmet camera, buy a copy of the Highway Code and learn to quote from it by paragraph.
My most sincere apologies for pretending to be a sensible road user. I now see the error of my ways.
Cripes, fancy someone even wondering whether I ride a bicycle....
God, this is sooooo humiliating.
(But on the request for my view on the close-pass video... I've spent most of my cycling life being passed by vehicles whose mirrors I could touch with an outstretched hand. I imagine I'll be able to do the same scores of times in the coming week. I love cycling and I slightly love the buzz I get from traffic. If I didn't, I'd take taxis more than I do).
You are all completely right.
I have ridden a bicycle, but quite understand your doubting that I have.
I just don't have a problem with cars coming up close to me and I'm a poor, poor, poor cyclist because of that.
I think you are all right and lots of motorists are very, very wrong.
Many car drivers are bad, bad, naughty people and the problem is them and the pro-motoring lobby.
I feel just awful now.
All those years I thought I was doing OK.
Cripes! I'll get myself a helmet camera, buy a copy of the Highway Code and learn to quote from it by paragraph.
My most sincere apologies for pretending to be a sensible road user. I now see the error of my ways.
Cripes, fancy someone even wondering whether I ride a bicycle....
God, this is sooooo humiliating.
(But on the request for my view on the close-pass video... I've spent most of my cycling life being passed by vehicles whose mirrors I could touch with an outstretched hand. I imagine I'll be able to do the same scores of times in the coming week. I love cycling and I slightly love the buzz I get from traffic. If I didn't, I'd take taxis more than I do).
Zoiders
New Member
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- Ice Station Zebra
That does seem to be a rather fast A-road.
Riding two up in that situation is a bit stupid, this seems to be another thread about purposely seeking confrontation rather actually keeping yourself alive.
Riding two up in that situation is a bit stupid, this seems to be another thread about purposely seeking confrontation rather actually keeping yourself alive.
