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Origamist

Legendary Member
That does seem to be a rather fast A-road.

Riding two up in that situation is a bit stupid, this seems to be another thread about purposely seeking confrontation rather actually keeping yourself alive.

It's a 40mph limit, but I suspect that as it has two lanes and is a pretty straight road speeds will often be higher.

The lane width looks to be of the "critical" type - i.e. not good for cyclists.
 

crumpetman

Well-Known Member
As others have said, for a motor vehicle to safely overtake a single bicycle the motor vehicle would have to cross over into the other lane. Given that it has to cross the lane anyway it makes more sense for the cyclists to ride 2 abreast rather than single file. They are taking up less road space in that position and should also be more noticable to traffic behind them thus giving the drivers more time to react and change lanes.

The frequency of close overtakes does sometimes densensitise us to the danger of them but just because it happens does not make it right or fair nor does it mean that we should continue to suffer such treatment.
 

Angelfishsolo

A Velocipedian
+1
As others have said, for a motor vehicle to safely overtake a single bicycle the motor vehicle would have to cross over into the other lane. Given that it has to cross the lane anyway it makes more sense for the cyclists to ride 2 abreast rather than single file. They are taking up less road space in that position and should also be more noticable to traffic behind them thus giving the drivers more time to react and change lanes.

The frequency of close overtakes does sometimes densensitise us to the danger of them but just because it happens does not make it right or fair nor does it mean that we should continue to suffer such treatment.
 

Mad at urage

New Member
As others have said, for a motor vehicle to safely overtake a single bicycle the motor vehicle would have to cross over into the other lane. Given that it has to cross the lane anyway it makes more sense for the cyclists to ride 2 abreast rather than single file. They are taking up less road space in that position and should also be more noticable to traffic behind them thus giving the drivers more time to react and change lanes.

The frequency of close overtakes does sometimes densensitise us to the danger of them but just because it happens does not make it right or fair nor does it mean that we should continue to suffer such treatment.
+ another 1
Edit: And I don't even like to ride in company :laugh:
 

AhThisFeckinThing

Active Member
Section 59 warning..Careless in manner of driving (swerving in front of you, big brakes and hazard lights, what is he a mobile disco?) and anti-social by stopping you in the road and giving it swears. If he does again after the initial warning, the police can just take his van, shame :whistle:javascript:void(0);
 

d87heaven

New Member
Location
Suffolk
Could he not see the irony of standing in the road holding up the traffic whilst mouthing off about..... err..... holding up the traffic. What a twunt. It frightens me that these people exist.
 

Bicycle

Guest
I doubt he was all that interested in the complexities of the highway code, pure and simple he was looking for a battle, and I doubt on tyneside he will need to do that too often to get one either. Geordies are very passionate people, there's a very fine line between getting invited back to a party and getting your lights punched out in Newcastle


Aaah... Indeed.

Very passionate are Geordies.

In a similar vein, Germans lack a sense of humour whilst the Japanese are highly inscrutable.

The French are given to capitulation, put garlic in everything they eat and rarely wash.

Albanians, on the other hand, might steal your watch whilst asking you the time.

I use these and other regional-character thumbnails to help me in my roadside dealings with all sorts of people.

I find that few people exhibiting regionally or nationally stereotypical behaviours are interested in the complxities of the Highway Code. Pure and simple, they are often looking for a battle.

It's that innate ability to read someone's intentions based on assumption and regional stereotype that's kept me alive this long.

However, my admittedly limited knowledge of confrontation suggests that a man looking for a battle will find one. The WVM in this clip didn't get a battle. He appeared to be seeking an apology and he got one.

In future I shall keep my guard up when invited to a party on Tyneside. I don't like the sound of that fine line... :sad:
 

stephenjubb

Über Member
I have found though that on the rare occasions I have rode two abreast you just get too much hassle from car drivers. Some are stupid and I decided a long time ago it is not worth the hassle riding two abreast unless on quite roads.

And trying to argue with a car driver, I'd have more luck persuading Adolf Hitler not to go to war!
 

Origamist

Legendary Member
I have found though that on the rare occasions I have rode two abreast you just get too much hassle from car drivers. Some are stupid and I decided a long time ago it is not worth the hassle riding two abreast unless on quite roads.

Riding two abreast does seem to agitate other road users far more than a solo cyclist riding in the centre of the lane. It seems to be perceived as some sort of "obstructionist conspiracy" when two cyclists ride, side by side.

I often compromise on my commute when I cycle with Ms O by riding behind her, but about 50cm further to the right. This leads to less abuse, but the downside is the lack of sociability.
 
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