What's with the fuel prices! And cheap whisky, apparently ...

[MrGrumpy]

It may well be a bargain once you remove the cost aspect of purchasing said car. For those of us who owe nothing on our cars or do not very much mileage , it’s still may not cost in !

 

[gzoom]

Figures taken from here (mostly):-
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/electric-cars/charging/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-an-electric-car/

Those figures are about 12 months out of date.

Electricity costs have gone up alot. Tesla Rapid chargers (Superchargers) are all now 50p/kWh = roughly 13p/mile.

Gridserve the other large charging next work is 45p/kWh so similar costs.

But these chargers run at 250KW+ (30+ times more powerful than home chargers), and designed for Mway trips. Petrol stations are more expensive at service stations too.

Slower chargers are cheaper they range from 20p-30p/kWh, so 7-10p/mile.

Home electricity isn't that cheap either these days, depending on the traiff is between 7p-27p/kWj, so 2-7p/mile.

In comparison a diesel car doing 50mpg, with diesel at £1.80/l will cost you 16p/mile, at 25mpg for large SUV that's 33p/mile.

Essentially the fuel savings on EVs is less than before, but the less efficient your current combustion car and the more miles you do, the more you 'save'.

My EV replaced a 380whp BMW that struggled to do 25mpg and drank supeunlead. We do 15k per year in the main family car, so thats a saving of about £4k a year in fuel costs.

We've had an EV for over 7 years now, so roughly speaking we've 'saved' about £27k in fuel costs alone.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Those figures are about 12 months out of date.

Electricity costs have gone up alot. Tesla Rapid chargers (Superchargers) are all now 50p/kWh = roughly 13p/mile.

Gridserve the other large charging next work is 45p/kWh so similar costs.

But these chargers run at 250KW+ (30+ times more powerful than home chargers), and designed for Mway trips. Petrol stations are more expensive at service stations too.

Slower chargers are cheaper they range from 20p-30p/kWh, so 7-10p/mile.

Home electricity isn't that cheap either these days, depending on the traiff is between 7p-27p/kWj, so 2-7p/mile.

In comparison a diesel car doing 50mpg, with diesel at £1.80/l will cost you 16p/mile, at 25mpg for large SUV that's 33p/mile.

Essentially the fuel savings on EVs is less than before, but the less efficient your current combustion car and the more miles you do, the more you 'save'.

My EV replaced a 380whp BMW that struggled to do 25mpg and drank supeunlead. We do 15k per year in the main family car, so thats a saving of about £4k a year in fuel costs.

We've had an EV for over 7 years now, so roughly speaking we've 'saved' about £27k in fuel costs alone.

It’s dilemma for sure , seriously not sure what my next car should be . Decision to be made on the caravan first, if I sell it it makes an EV decision easier I dare say .

 

[gbb]

Prices keep marching on...and up
around 10 days ago, local station, 1.63 ltr for E10 petrol
A few days later, £1.65
A week later, £1.67
Couple days later, £1.71 ltr

 

[icowden]

Prices keep marching on...and up
around 10 days ago, local station, 1.63 ltr for E10 petrol
A few days later, £1.65
A week later, £1.67
Couple days later, £1.71 ltr

And today, Diesel was £1.85 and petrol £1.73 here at Tesco. £104 for 56 litres.😢😢😢

 

[chris-suffolk]

Those figures are about 12 months out of date.

Electricity costs have gone up alot. Tesla Rapid chargers (Superchargers) are all now 50p/kWh = roughly 13p/mile.

Gridserve the other large charging next work is 45p/kWh so similar costs.

But these chargers run at 250KW+ (30+ times more powerful than home chargers), and designed for Mway trips. Petrol stations are more expensive at service stations too.

Slower chargers are cheaper they range from 20p-30p/kWh, so 7-10p/mile.

Home electricity isn't that cheap either these days, depending on the traiff is between 7p-27p/kWj, so 2-7p/mile.

In comparison a diesel car doing 50mpg, with diesel at £1.80/l will cost you 16p/mile, at 25mpg for large SUV that's 33p/mile.

Essentially the fuel savings on EVs is less than before, but the less efficient your current combustion car and the more miles you do, the more you 'save'.

My EV replaced a 380whp BMW that struggled to do 25mpg and drank supeunlead. We do 15k per year in the main family car, so thats a saving of about £4k a year in fuel costs.

We've had an EV for over 7 years now, so roughly speaking we've 'saved' about £27k in fuel costs alone.

My diesel regularly returns 65mpg, which (even at todays prices) is about 13p/mile (if you shop around for diesel) I don't think that's too bad, as I own the car and don't need to shell out for an expensive EV. Can't actually find a fully electric estate eqivalent to my VW Passat, and the hybrids are about £45-50k, which is nearly double the ICE version, so would take a while to get payback.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Just seen 194.9p for diesel at Caenby Corner near Lincoln

 

[MrGrumpy]

My diesel regularly returns 65mpg, which (even at todays prices) is about 13p/mile (if you shop around for diesel) I don't think that's too bad, as I own the car and don't need to shell out for an expensive EV. Can't actually find a fully electric estate eqivalent to my VW Passat, and the hybrids are about £45-50k, which is nearly double the ICE version, so would take a while to get

Indeed it’s comparing apples and oranges . Doesn’t make sense to switch unless there is need too !

 

[classic33]

It costs the same as a piece of string and each point will have its own price. If you charge on the motorway, expect to get very high prices just as you do for petrol / diesel.

Tesco / VW's network have free charging at 7kw and 28kw chargers, 50kw chargers are 28p per kWh.

An ID4 has a usable capacity of 77kWh so from empty to full at at 50kw would cost £21.56.
Realistically you wouldn't do that - mostly because the closer you get to full, the slower the charge gets, and you aren't going to be charging from empty.
You'd probably be charging about 50kwh or about £14.

Either way, the same sort of range in my Diesel Scenic would cost me around £40-£50 at the moment. Tesla charge 28p per kWh, SpeakEV charge 37p. On the motorway you might expect 30p per kWh from Ecotricity chargers. BP Pulse have a model which requires a monthy subscription of £7.85 and then 12p / 15p/ 27p depending on how powerful a charger you are using.

Home charging will cost about 14p per kWH although it will depend on your tariff, if you have solar panels etc.

Figures taken from here (mostly):-
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/electric-cars/charging/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-an-electric-car/

25% of its original?

 

[icowden]

Can't actually find a fully electric estate eqivalent to my VW Passat, and the hybrids are about £45-50k, which is nearly double the ICE version, so would take a while to get payback.

The MG G5 is really the only electric estate. The ID4 or Enyak will give a similar amount of interior space. If that's the cost of the hybrids then they aren't worth bothering with as you can get a true BEV for that price.

 

[biggs682]

Local Tesco is 173.9 for unleaded

 

[icowden]

So how are we doing now with the petrol / diesel?

I filled up last night - £108. That's £6 more than 2.5 weeks ago. £1.93 for Diesel now (£1.92 at Tesco).

 

[PeteXXX]

184.9 at Tesco Weston Favell this morning.
Only 185.9 at Moulton Shell, strangely..

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Called in at Costco in Sheffield the other day, never seen them queuing for fuel before, but as it was £173.9 for diesel it explained it

 

[Jenkins]

Diesel at 185.9ppl on Tuesday morning, 192.9ppl on Wednesday morning and 193.9ppl on Wednesday afternoon. That's 4% inflation in just two days.