Where have all the anti-vaxxers gone?

[Milzy]

A country can choose who it admits or not. No one forced him to go, he knows the rules…there’s a thread already discussing anyhow

And I agree. Some countries chop the hands of petty thieves & have child brides but it’s not right.

 

[Milzy]

Oh dear, oh dear....

1% is quite a lot of people that didn't need to die.

More are going to die in other ways now though. Cancer not been found early, heart attacks, more suicides. Why have they found that children born in Covid age have lower developmental skills?

 

[Rocky]

More are going to die in other ways now though. Cancer not been found early, heart attacks, more suicides.

But as we are seeing, Covid is causing NHS staff sickness. People are seriously ill with Covid in hospital and taking up beds that would normally be used for other conditions.

The reason that people aren't getting diagnosed early with cancer etc isn't because of policy decisions but because of the direct impact of Covid.

Now, if only people were to get vaccinated and take other preventative measures we could all get back to normal. So actually Novax must shoulder some of the blame for the problems that people are having accessing health services. He is sending out at very selfish message.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

People have a right as to what they put inside their bodies. If a country says sorry you can’t be here unless you’re jabbed up to date it’s Nazi like. And all for what? A form of flu you have a 99% chance of surviving. Why are people been coerced into it so much? There’s thousands of top doctors saying that our vaccines only work short term & the pros & cons need weighing up more.

Death rate is actually 1.4 % - although this is probably lower with Omicron - so 1% is reasonable
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

but

hospitialisation rate is 18.41 per 100,000 people
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...es/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/hospitals

today'sUK infection rate is about 200,000 - therefore there are 17 (ish) extra people in hospital due to Covid
and the vast majority of the people with Covid in hospital are unvainated
and this is just today

as the infection rate is rising rapidly it will be higher tomorrow
hence more people in hospital tomorrow

and each person stays in hospital for a while

it is all stacking up - and at a time when the hospitals would be pushed anyway

This is the main problem
the hospitals can only take so many people
they were over loaded already - due to Covid and everything else

and - I'll say it again - nearly all Covid patients in UK hospitals are not vaccinated - and would therefore not be in hospital if they were vacinated

just get the jab

 

[vickster]

Novax wont struggle to get medical attention with his many millions

 

[KnittyNorah]

It’s their rules so fair enough but it’s still like Nazi Germany. He’s not an anti vaxer he’s had vaccines before he has had polio & TB etc.

So a vaccination requirement for arrivals - who, let us not forget, are making a totally-voluntary journey to their destination country - makes that country 'like Nazi Germany'?

Angola Burkina Faso Benin Burundi Cameroon C.A.R Congo Cote D'Ivoire DR Congo Gabon Ghana Guinea-Bissau Mali Niger Nigeria Pakistan Sierra Leone Somalia South Sudan Syria Togo and Uganda, have all been mandating a specific vaccination for all arrivals , or a different specific vaccination for all arrivals (and/or departures), for several - or even a great many - years, without any fuss, international or otherwise. Although there are many legitimate criticisms of the above-mentioned criticisms countries, no comparisons with Nazi Germany are heard about their vaccination requirements.

I do think this entire mess has been handled somewhat clumsily by both the Australian Federal Govt and by Tennis Australia - but since when did clumsiness become a crime worthy of comparison with the crimes of Nazi Germany? And it has been handled - IMO - in a way that befits the most arrogant and temperamental of operatic divas by the main protagonist!

 

[Ming the Merciless]

More are going to die in other ways now though. Cancer not been found early, heart attacks, more suicides. Why have they found that children born in Covid age have lower developmental skills?

Because they are less than two years old.

 

[cougie uk]

People have a right as to what they put inside their bodies. If a country says sorry you can’t be here unless you’re jabbed up to date it’s Nazi like. And all for what? A form of flu you have a 99% chance of surviving. Why are people been coerced into it so much? There’s thousands of top doctors saying that our vaccines only work short term & the pros & cons need weighing up more.

So that would be 680,000 deaths in the UK alone assuming we just gave up on virus precautions completely.

That's COVID alone.
We would also have broken our health care system due to the huge influx of patients and losing so many health care professionals to the virus.

So god knows how many other diseases and injuries that we could have treated but health care has broken down completely.

Complete madness.

 

[Milzy]

But as we are seeing, Covid is causing NHS staff sickness. People are seriously ill with Covid in hospital and taking up beds that would normally be used for other conditions.

The reason that people aren't getting diagnosed early with cancer etc isn't because of policy decisions but because of the direct impact of Covid.

Now, if only people were to get vaccinated and take other preventative measures we could all get back to normal. So actually Novax must shoulder some of the blame for the problems that people are having accessing health services. He is sending out at very selfish message.

It’s his human right to make that choice. I think abortion is wrong & is murder yet it’s legal in many countries, the women has a choice.
So the unvaxed doctors are part of the problem also. We could all chip in some charity money & save millions from starving to death also.

 

[Rocky]

It’s his human right to make that choice. I think abortion is wrong & is murder yet it’s legal in many countries, the women has a choice.
So the unvaxed doctors are part of the problem also. We could all chip in some charity money & save millions from starving to death also.

It's also a human right that I don't get infected with a serious illness from someone who couldn't be arsed to get vaccinated.

 

[Milzy]

So that would be 680,000 deaths in the UK alone assuming we just gave up on virus precautions completely.

That's COVID alone.
We would also have broken our health care system due to the huge influx of patients and losing so many health care professionals to the virus.

So god knows how many other diseases and injuries that we could have treated but health care has broken down completely.

Complete madness.

In theory yes but the doctor & specialist on sky news believes something different & he’s a very intelligent man.

 

[Milzy]

It's also a human right that I don't get infected with a serious illness from someone who couldn't be arsed to get vaccinated.

That isn’t true. People can pass flu on to me if they don’t want a flu jab. Also I can have 6 shots & still pass it onto you no matter how many you’ve had.
More to add, if you had faith in your own vax & trusted it well then you wouldn’t care about unvaxed would you?

 

[Rocky]

@Milzy ..... worth reading John Rawls A Theory of Justice ..... 'society should be structured so that the greatest possible amount of liberty is given to its members, limited only by the notion that the liberty of any one member shall not infringe upon that of any other member'

 

[vickster]

In theory yes but the doctor & specialist on sky news believes something different & he’s a very intelligent man.

Is he thousands of top doctors then? How’s that list coming?

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

It’s his human right to make that choice. I think abortion is wrong & is murder yet it’s legal in many countries, the women has a choice.
So the unvaxed doctors are part of the problem also. We could all chip in some charity money & save millions from starving to death also.

Yup
and people who can afford to do so should consider it
whether or not they do is up to them