Which EV would you get?

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Alex321

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Location
South Wales
It's already working in buses.
I ran an LPG van, the donut tanks work, but I realise your methane tank might be ugly, and it's positioning in a car is problematic.
I spose it depends what you value most.

Show me a clean long-life battery and I'll show you a slavish-labour mining industry.

The materials used in batteries are also used in many other everyday items.
"Clean" they may not be (though not as "dirty" as some like to claim), but short-life they certainly aren't.
 

farfromtheland

Regular AND Goofy
Location
London
It's far worse than LPG as it cannot be liquified at room temp without very high pressures that would mean far heavier tanks. LPG can be stored in tanks at pressures of the order of bicycle tyres, but LNG needs cryogenic cooling for the same pressures to be viable.

It's not remotely a solution for private cars.

Fiat had a 1990s methane Seicento. I'll try to look it up -
edit - maybe I was thinking of the Elettra.
 
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farfromtheland

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London
But i have found these -


NASA Spinoff
https://spinoff.nasa.gov › node › 9296

Methane-Powered Vehicles | NASA Spinoff

Liquid methane is beginning to become an energy alternative to expensive oil as a power source for automotive vehicles. Methane is the principal component of natural gas, costs less than half as much as gasoline, and its emissions are a lot cleaner than from gasoline or diesel engines. Beech Aircraft Corporation's Boulder Division has designed and is producing a system for converting cars and ...


and

BBC
https://www.bbc.com › news › uk-england-bristol-10881080

'Poo-powered' car seen on the streets of Bristol - BBC News

The BBC's John Maguire is given a tour of the methane-powered car by developer Mohammed Saddiq A "poo-powered" VW Beetle has taken to the streets of Bristol in an attempt to encourage sustainable ...


... easier with a Beetle with the engine at the back.
 

farfromtheland

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Location
London
Gemini offers:
Sodium-ion battery manufacture primarily uses organic carbonate and ether-based solvents to dissolve conductive salts for the liquid electrolyte. [1, 2]

Common Solvents
    • Ethylene Carbonate (EC): A cyclic carbonate frequently used to help form a stable solid electrolyte interphase (SEI) layer on electrodes. [1, 2]
    • Propylene Carbonate (PC): A common cyclic carbonate with a wide liquid temperature range that remains stable at low temperatures, unlike in lithium-ion setups. [1, 2]
    • Dimethyl Carbonate (DMC): A linear carbonate added to reduce overall mixture viscosity and improve ionic conductivity. [1]
    • Diethyl Carbonate (DEC) & Ethyl Methyl Carbonate (EMC): Linear carbonates blended with cyclic carbonates to optimize fluidity and transport properties. [1, 2]
    • Ethers (e.g., Dimethoxyethane / DME, Glymes): Alternative solvents sometimes utilized for specialized or non-flammable ether-based sodium chemistries. [1, 2]

Thanks!
 
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icowden

icowden

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Location
Surrey
But i have found these -
Methane-Powered Vehicles | NASA Spinoff
Liquid methane is beginning to become an energy alternative to expensive oil as a power source for automotive vehicles. Methane is the principal component of natural gas, costs less than half as much as gasoline, and its emissions are a lot cleaner than from gasoline or diesel engines. Beech Aircraft Corporation's Boulder Division has designed and is producing a system for converting cars and ...
Looks great. That article is from 1982. Methane powered vehicles are now all around us..

Oh, hang on... nope. Haven't seen any anywhere.

'Poo-powered' car seen on the streets of Bristol - BBC News
The BBC's John Maguire is given a tour of the methane-powered car by developer Mohammed Saddiq A "poo-powered" VW Beetle has taken to the streets of Bristol in an attempt to encourage sustainable ...
Again, going really well. That article is from 2010. 16 years ago.

Guess what has happened since 1982? We decided that exploding shoot isn't a good way to power a car.
 

farfromtheland

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Location
London
Looks great. That article is from 1982. Methane powered vehicles are now all around us..
Oh, hang on... nope. Haven't seen any anywhere.

Again, going really well. That article is from 2010. 16 years ago.
Guess what has happened since 1982? We decided that exploding shoot isn't a good way to power a car.

A back blow!
I grovel.
But don't forget On the Buses.
 
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icowden

icowden

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Location
Surrey
Did some more research yesterday.
Had a look at Jaecoo and Omoda.

I'm not keen on the Jaecoo - looks too much like a Range Rover for my taste.
The Omoda is OK on looks, but lacked on the tech for me and also on the rear passenger space compared to the Geeley. I was also unimpressed by the sales guy who told me that they are basically and ICE / Hybrid company and not really pushing the BEV side at the moment. He had no real idea about his stock - he said their were no Omoda 7s on site - I walked past two on the way out. They also had no customer parking as they had filled up all their spaces with Omoda and Jaecoo that presumably they aren't selling very fast.

So Geeley EX5 Ultra is still my leader for next vehicle. I did like the XPENG and BYD Sealion but pricewise they are very much next tier - so in the £500 to £600 a month bracket.
 
Did some more research yesterday.
Had a look at Jaecoo and Omoda.

I'm not keen on the Jaecoo - looks too much like a Range Rover for my taste.
The Omoda is OK on looks, but lacked on the tech for me and also on the rear passenger space compared to the Geeley. I was also unimpressed by the sales guy who told me that they are basically and ICE / Hybrid company and not really pushing the BEV side at the moment. He had no real idea about his stock - he said their were no Omoda 7s on site - I walked past two on the way out. They also had no customer parking as they had filled up all their spaces with Omoda and Jaecoo that presumably they aren't selling very fast.

So Geeley EX5 Ultra is still my leader for next vehicle. I did like the XPENG and BYD Sealion but pricewise they are very much next tier - so in the £500 to £600 a month bracket.

There's loads of Jaecoos and Omodas on the roads - I expect the parking spaces were full because they're getting them ready to get collected.
They seem very popular anyway.
 
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icowden

icowden

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Location
Surrey
There's loads of Jaecoos and Omodas on the roads - I expect the parking spaces were full because they're getting them ready to get collected.
They seem very popular anyway.

A lot of them are hybrids though. The sales guy kept telling me that they are really an ICE company not an EV company.
They are quite keenly priced though, and definitely a cheaper way of getting something that looks like a Range Rover.
 
I’m now just short of 850 miles into e Vitara ownership.

Had a bit on an issue early on when reversing of the drive and starting d the farm track towards the main road. The car would slam the brakes on sensing a possible collision. It initially seemed a bit random but we tied it down to the speed of pickup and th point where the 360 degree cameras switched off. Since manually switching the cameras off, a single button press, the issue haas stopped. I suspect that the grass built up between the tyre tracks somehow confuses the system.

Other than that it’s been a joy to live with.

Even though we are not yet on the optimum electricity rate it’s still way cheaper per mile than the frugal ICE car I had previously.
 
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