Which rim

[davidphilips]

would you not consider another bike for touring? 700x23 tyres are a bit thin, and with a loaded bike if you hit a bump its very easy to get a pinch punture.

 

[Nibor]

@Nibor these https://www.rosebikes.co.uk/article...c-mavic-open-pro--shimano-105-5800/aid:401812
bomb proof maybe Nigel proof mmmm ........

Those are they I got the ones with the sealed hub really nice

 

[Nigelnaturist]

Those are they I got the ones with the sealed hub really nice

I was reading whilst the rim is strong so strong its possible to ride with spokes a little lose and for there to be some noise from the spokes, as I said its wheel truing isn't my strong point.
So the 105 5800 hub is a sealed hu, is that true of the 5700 hubs.

 

[Nibor]

No they do another set with their own sealed bearing hubs the 5800 is 11 speed 105

 

[si_c]

So the 105 5800 hub is a sealed hu, is that true of the 5700 hubs.

depends what you mean by sealed.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/sealed-bearings.html

All Shimano hubs are cup and cone and completely user serviceable.

 

[Nigelnaturist]

@davidphilips Its not really touring more a 10-15 mile possible commute (could be argued I posted in the wrong section I guess), besides I don't have much money to afford another bike, punctures I can deal with, i did look at a bike Spa have got more touring oriented for £550 but I can't justify the expense currently, all I am looking at carrying is some clothing and a bit more reliability than a 24spoke rear bottom end wheel is likely to give me.
@Nibor the like you gave quotes hub: Shimano 105 FH-5800 (p.s. I know 5800 series is the 11sp matters not i have a 11sp-10sp spacer)
@si_c till I strip them, I can do everything on a bike bar it seems get wheels right.

 

[andym]

Almost anything welded, of a suitable width, in 36 spoke three cross, built by a decent wheelbuilder will do unless you are well over 100kg and/or carrying shedloads.

I'm not sure I'd go as far as saying any rim - but I agree with the underlying point that the most important thing is the quality of the wheel build: there's no point obsessing about the 'best' rim if the wheel build isn't good.

My advice would be to go to a specialist wheelbuilder (I've had wheels built by Dave Gall at Spa, and Harry Rowland but there are one or two others). They will advise you on things like hubs as well.

I've ridden both Rigid Chrina and Mavic Open Pros and they were fine for touring, but I notice that Spa now seem to be using H Plus SON rims for building wheels with Shimano road hubs . Presumably there's a good reason for this but swipe me if I know what it is.

You can download an exploded view of the Shimano 105 5800 hub from here:

http://si.shimano.com/#seriesList/18

it seems to use individual ball bearings as opposed to a sealed unit. The bearings on Shimano hubs are sealed but they aren't a 'sealed bearing' if that makes any sense.

 

[Nigelnaturist]

@andym it does I understand seals enough to understand their purpose I was just thrown a bit by the comment "sealed bearings"., i have also stripped a few both bikes and cars. From what i see the main difference between 5700 & 5800 hubs are the lock nuts.
I have looked at the Spa site and they offer different rims on different hubs, the ones I mentioned in the opening post are the three on both Tiagra and 105 hubs.

The way I am leaning at the mo is Tiagra hubs & Rigid Chrina rims I would like to go to 105's but i might do better upgrading my brakes (though my Tektro 356 work well enough with Koolstop Salmons) if things work the way I hope I will have a bike set for the winter and any work I find.
My only concern would be early morning from mid Nov to March if freezing, don't get me wrong I rode through the winter of 2012-13 on 23c tyres, from early Nov to end of Mar 2,343 miles just ice is a concern and I know it wouldn't matter what tyres on ice bar ice tyres.

 

[andym]

One thing you might want to bear in mind is that it's the rear wheel that takes most of the punishment. My advice, if money is tight, is to go for a hand-built rear wheel and stick with your current front wheel until you the the money to upgrade it.

As far as tyre size is concerned there's a useful table somewhere on Sheldon Brown's website - if you google something like 'sheldon brown tire sizes' you will probably find it. It will tell you which size tyres will work with which size rims (measured by the internal diameter). The crude summary is that you can get away with wider tyres on narrow rims but not narrow tyres on wider rims. I've ridden with 25mm tyres on the Open Pros and Chrinas, but I'm sure you can go bigger - but I'm not sure how much bigger. Obviously frame and mudguard clearance may also be a constraint.

I would be very tempted to give Spa a ring to find out why they seem to be preferring the H SON Plus to the Rigida rims with Shimano road hubs.

 

[Nigelnaturist]

@andym I will when I know what funds I have, I ran a 25c gator rear but when its wet it tended to pick up road dirt and rubbed

I have some money coming but her in doors whats half and the other half is to cover rent I have had to fork out for (money loaned from uncle ect....) and to ensure rent is covered for the next few months.
I understand what your saying about tyre width (limits to rims ect) and about the rear wheel taking the brunt of the weight my R501 front hasn'r done anything like the rear as when I got them I put some gators on and the front finally failed after 12,000 miles last Sept or so, so I put the RS11 front on which had a Ultra sport on with the intention of changing it asap however money never allowed it till a few weeks ago, when I put the R501 front back on the rear however has covered over 3,500 miles since March or so 2015 (down a bit ob previous years maintenance cost being some of it)

This is what I am looking at. http://www.spacycles.co.uk/m2b0s178p1956/SPA-CYCLES-Handbuilt-Wheelset-Shimano-Tiagra I can't stretch to the H SON Plus in any event.

 

[Nigelnaturist]

While browsing I came across these Chrina rims on Sora hubs just over a £100 the pair.

 

[Nigelnaturist]

I count 32 spokes there.

Would 32 not be enough, like I said not out and touring just some additional strength.

 

[Nigelnaturist]

You are right, at your weight they should be fine. They may not be as well built as the ones from Spa Cycles, or any other hand built ones though.

Says handbuilt but could be miss leading

 

[Nigelnaturist]

and the Sora hubs what do reckon there, I guess they are likely to weigh 2-2.2Kg the set do you think I am in the right ball park.

 

[Nigelnaturist]

I have come across these Mach 1 Omega silver alloy double wall 32 hole on Tiagra hubs. £84 the pair.

These another £20 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Pair-...354570?hash=item4b0714db4a:g:E8oAAOSwawpXwDvZ