Who Has The Right Of Way?

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Smithy

Veteran
When I'm out on my bike (03:30-05:30), sometimes it's dark but I've always got my lights on. Every now and then I see a runner, he runs on the road running towards traffic, the road I see him on is a busy one but in the early hours there are very few cars. Sometimes I don't see him until the last few seconds and I move around him, but who should move out of the way? Me or him? Should it be me who moves out of the way or him who can jump onto the pavement or even move further into the road?
 

Dave 123

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Your lights must be crap, or your eyesight, or both. And your memory can't be up to much either if you can't remember that there's maybe someone out running every now and then and you might want to focus on there being a possibility that someone else will be using the road that's not a car.
 
Your lights must be crap, or your eyesight, or both. And your memory can't be up to much either if you can't remember that there's maybe someone out running every now and then and you might want to focus on there being a possibility that someone else will be using the road that's not a car.
^^^^THIS

If you are on an unlit road, you have to have enough lights to be able to see. Not being able to see a 5 foot + human right in front of you exposes you to all sorts of other dangers in the road that aren't nearly as obvious. Eg, if the poor jogger had a heart attack, would you ride over the top of him, oblivious?
 
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martint235

Dog on a bike
Location
Welling
[UberPedant] It will still be about priority in that scenario as well. Both have right of way - the runner has priority. [/UberPedant]
Oh go on then.
 
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DRHysted

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Location
New Forest
The runner has priority. He is running in the safest direction facing the traffic so he can leap in the ditch when a forceful driver fails to understand priority (this does happen a lot). However he should make an effort to be seen.

Personally I use two flashing green lights & a head torch. The head torch so I can see where I'm going but angled down so not to dazzle other road users (unless they forget to come of main beam). The flashing green lights are one on my back & one on y front, I chose green to make car drivers think "WTF is that".

Unfortunately some of the closest passes have been by cyclists!!
 

Tin Pot

Guru
Somehow I am able to see unlit cyclists and pedestrians whether I am driving or cycling. Maybe I have magic eyes or ESP?
 
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shouldbeinbed

Rollin' along
Location
Manchester way
When I'm out on my bike (03:30-05:30), sometimes it's dark but I've always got my lights on. Every now and then I see a runner, he runs on the road running towards traffic, the road I see him on is a busy one but in the early hours there are very few cars. Sometimes I don't see him until the last few seconds and I move around him, but who should move out of the way? Me or him? Should it be me who moves out of the way or him who can jump onto the pavement or even move further into the road?

as with every moving conflict on road or elsewhere, the more powerful or powered element should cede to the most vulnerable. bikes to peds, cars to bikes, powered boats to sail......

to be a bit devils advocate: if you said on here you were driving a car in the dark and didn't see a cyclist until avoiding them in the last few seconds, there are some who would castigate you viciously for your inadequate driving style & lighting and claim the the poor innocent cyclist (runner) is blameless and allowed to be as irresponsibly unlit or unreflective as they like.

The smug 'yes but you still saw him' schtick that we always get in unlit cyclist threads notwithstanding, last minute avoiding manoeuvres scream that one/both of you have got something going wrong.

What lights do you have? and even though you seem to now be half expecting this guy, you still don't see him until the last moment: Genuine question for your own safety, do you think with the set up you have that you'd avoid a wandering dog or cat or fox or shovel that falls off a truck or a tree branch that falls down or some idiot thinks it is funny to put in the carriageway or......... if you don't see a semi regularly encountered, fully grown human being until the last moment?

maybe as a fellow vulnerable road user you could have a friendly word next time you see him and make him aware how difficult he is to spot for you and that if the worst comes to the worst one or both of you could end up getting badly hurt or he could be ploughed down by another road user not expecting him. I've got free giveaway reflective slap bands coming out of my ears, if you want to send me your address, I'll post you a few and you can hand them over to him. My dogs have blinky LED reflective collars for dark walks and they stay on there lead. I have emergency lights that cost me a few quid from Tesco, I'm no fan of the grey H builders vest reflective things but at that time in the morning at this time of year its better than a trip to hospital. IMO he's got no credible excuse to be playing fast and loose with your safety or his own.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
The flashing green lights are one on my back & one on y front, I chose green to make car drivers think "WTF is that".
Or they'll just think you're a doctor's car (which is what uses flashing greens), expect you to be travelling at motor speeds and misjudge you completely. Doesn't seem safe to me.

Ask him to make himself a bit more visible if you are not seeing him until the last few seconds.

maybe as a fellow vulnerable road user you could have a friendly word next time you see him and make him aware how difficult he is to spot for you and that if the worst comes to the worst one or both of you could end up getting badly hurt or he could be ploughed down by another road user not expecting him
Please don't try to scare the person who's basically doing nothing wrong.

If you are on an unlit road, you have to have enough lights to be able to see. Not being able to see a 5 foot + human right in front of you exposes you to all sorts of other dangers in the road that aren't nearly as obvious. Eg, if the poor jogger had a heart attack, would you ride over the top of him, oblivious?
^This.
 
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sidevalve

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Ask him to make himself a bit more visible if you are not seeing him until the last few seconds.
Surely you don't mean hi-vis do you ? After all asking someone to take a little responsibility for their own safety how ridiculous is that ?
 
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