Who should the next England Rugby Union coach be?

[martint235]

Can't even guarantee any of them will be playing in the 2019 WRC, let alone suitable to captain it...
You look at the players who are/should be playing for england now who weren't even on the radar of most people in 2011, a proper captain may emerge. people are talking up Itoje, even saying he should be made captain now, which is absurd, but maybe in time, and maybe by 2019.

I kind of like the idea of Hartley as a disposable captain... Not as a long term one. It's a shame, because he probably is the best hooker we have at the moment, but a liability if he's going to keep getting cards and bans.

If we're going to go for a disposable captain then I suppose Hartley's ok.

I really think that the team that emerges from the 6 Nations should be one that has a strong chance of making 2019 though barring some exceptional players coming through. Some of the stats that were given out at the last world cup were astounding: we didn't have a centre partnership that had played together more than 5 times or something like that, Conrad Smith and Ma'a Nonu has played 83 tests together or something silly.

Even if we wait a couple of years, we can't allow ourselves to be in the position we were in this time of thinking in May of RWC year "So what is our best front row? What is our best half back pairing etc"

 

[Dayvo]

Of course all Eddie Jones' plans could be scuppered by any potential world cup stars taking up an offer (and mega euros) by playing in Europe in the period between now and then. I feel that players in the frame for 2019 may peak too early and begin to wane. So, what should he do as we approach the 2016 Six Nations?

He could either go 'young' and inexperienced and suffer defeats (and humiliation) or tried and tested, winning games but boring the paying public too tears. I suspect it'll be somewhere in the middle. But as I stated earlier, I think 3rd or 4th place is about all can expect to achieve, despite the spin and bluff of Jones, and then the pressure will bear down on him, not least from the press and ex pros.

 

[psmiffy]

I think 3rd or 4th place is about all can expect to achieve

A win or more likely 2nd - but not as a dominant team - even under the Lancaster regime they never came lower than equal second - they are not bad players or even a bad team - not great tho - going out before the quarters in the WC was about par - both Wales and Australia were by both form and rankings ahead of England

 

[martint235]

A win or more likely 2nd - but not as a dominant team - even under the Lancaster regime they never came lower than equal second - they are not bad players or even a bad team - not great tho - going out before the quarters in the WC was about par - both Wales and Australia were by both form and rankings ahead of England

I think probably 2nd behind Wales. Ireland have some issues of their own to address I think, France: who knows? Scotland may or may not surprise (probably not) and Italy will battle away. I think the battle to avoid the wooden spoon will be more intense than the one at the top.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

I read it as a statement of intent, and he is saying that, whilst Lancaster might not have been able risk playing Hartley, he is confident that the man is manageable.

An interesting perspective.

Some elite players come horribly close to displaying what used to be called 'roid rage. Some naturally just can't control their rage. Some are just a screw loose/tick. Never figured where Mr Hartley sits.

 

[Aperitif]

£££££££££££££££££££££££ heading Bristol's way...and maybe Rowntree as a Christmas bonus? Or Heyneke Meyer as a 'special advisor'?

Sigh... Bristol fashion ship shapes from £50 notes...

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Sigh... Bristol fashion ship shapes from £50 notes...

Be fascinated to read Mr Borthwick's contract with Brizzle.

"I quit!"
"Ha! I refuse to accept your resignation!"
has shades of a black and white movie from the 30's.

But then if he's then walked out, without honouring any notice period, one can only tut!

 

[Dayvo]

Sigh... Bristol fashion ship shapes from £50 notes...

Welcome to professional sport, where loyalty, respect, decency and honour went out of the game when lifting in line-outs came in.

The amateur codes of conduct long since consigned to the history books.

RIP rugby union as we knew and loved it.

 

[Dayvo]

....oh and oranges, a fag and a bottle of beer at half time plus a very dirty bath afterwards with props who delighted in passing on their scrum pox to anyone stupid enough to sit next to them.

Not forgetting the water bucket that was passed around to anyone who wanted a slug of 'bloody and muddy' water.

 

[Aperitif]

..oh and none of this crouching and touching (or is it binding?)

That only happened when one was about to take the porcelain bus for a quick spin...

Don't forget sitting in the bloody launderette on a Sunday morning, with 17 or so shirts dancing around in the washers, a few yards of England's green and pleasant being expunged, a frantic sortie to the newsagents, harvesting 10ps for the dryer...and then...a Sunday afternoon Cup match and a swift return to square one.

 

[Wafer]

I really think that the team that emerges from the 6 Nations should be one that has a strong chance of making 2019 though barring some exceptional players coming through. Some of the stats that were given out at the last world cup were astounding: we didn't have a centre partnership that had played together more than 5 times or something like that, Conrad Smith and Ma'a Nonu has played 83 tests together or something silly.

So many things that can scupper those plans. Lancaster wouldn't of wanted to do with Tuilagi, Hartley or Corbisiero for instance, but had to in the end (ok he 'could' have taken Hartley and risked exposing the squad while he was still banned).
Robshaw still has less than 50 caps, he was one of the fresh faces Lancaster brought in to shake things up, anyone new brought in now is unlikely to have 50 caps themselves by the 2019 RWC, so what kind of experience are we expecting? It take more than 4 years to build a partnership like Nonu and Smith.
Bring in players like Daly, Slade, Itoje, Ewers, all good players who we're pretty much expecting to be in the picture in 4 years time, none of them will have 50 caps when it comes around.

You can start planning for the next RWC, but you can't be picking the squad now.

 

[psmiffy]

Be fascinated to read Mr Borthwick's contract with Brizzle.

"I quit!"
"Ha! I refuse to accept your resignation!"
has shades of a black and white movie from the 30's.

But then if he's then walked out, without honouring any notice period, one can only tut!

It seems that the Borthwick situation has been resolved

but the trials and tribulations continue

Premiership side Northampton have also taken issue over the RFU's approach for backs coach Alex King, with Saints boss Jim Mallinder saying the club have been "kept in the dark".

 

[GrumpyGregry]

It seems that the Borthwick situation has been resolved

"Used fifties alright gov? Ah, you brought your own suitcase"