Who's at fault?

[ufkacbln]

These are always difficult to assess and without knowing the experience of the cyclist.....

As a pure guess, this may have been a panic!

The cyclist is left with a taxi just behind and to the left, which is an immediate threat and a car pulling out from the right as well.

Responses are not always that easy!

I would agree that neither comes out well, but how would I have hanlded it?

Probably the AirZound as a reminder, with brakes slowing and the assumption that any vehicle with the engine running is going to pull out I would not have been in that situation.

Mind you in most cases the AirZOund seems to act as a brake for vehicles!

 

[SquareDaff]

Strictly speaking the car was in the wrong. Just did what seems natural to most drivers now: Mirror / Signal / Pull out; missing the all important "if something is coming in said mirror then wait until it's clear"!

Having said that the cyclist is obviously a complete and utter idiot. I still cringe when I see him sliding up the left side of the left indicating taxi. He'll be lucky to make the end of the week riding like that - let alone Xmas!

 

[jonny jeez]

An open question to all. This morning i saw a cyclist kick a car, for what i perceived to be a minor issue, the car was clearly indicating out of the space from early on, the cyclist positioned him self so that he would be close to the car. Who do you think is at fault? and do you think some people are looking for trouble?
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Much as I disagree with the cyclist attitude, its clearly the cars fault, it pulls out of a parking space from behind a large van without sufficient rear observation.

So the "incident" was the fault of the driver.

But, the cyclist could see this was happening and seemed to actively move over to seek a challenge. He had time to ring his bell and kick out at a car, so he certainly had time to take evasive action and avoid a conflict.

The car is at fault, but the cyclist looks like a bit of a tit to me and, if he carries on like that, will be waking up with a crowd around him pretty soon

 

[potsy]

Maybe I need to go to SpecSavers as I can't see any kick despite watching the footage twice. Maybe Gaz you could indicate when on the footage it occurs?

The way the cyclist in the HiViz passed the taxi on the near side close to the kerb suggests he or she is not that bright or on a death wish. They probably won't make Christmas this year.

There's a definite double kick in there Cranky,but I agree with your point about undertaking the taxi.
Obvious car drivers fault but the cyclist could easily have avoided it,comes across as if he wants the conflict,
it's not big Martin is it?

 

[RedBike]

It doesn't look like the cyclist is 'kicking the car', it looks like more the cyclist is trying to instinctively putting his foot out to protect himself.

 

[davefb]

err the cars mirrors wouldn't help the car driver from that angle,, or at least only if the cyclist was lucky...

you'd have to assume the person looked over their left shoulder,, and since most cars have large rear 3/4 sections, you also have to assume they've not stuck anything there..

assume the car hasnt' seen you, thats what you'd do if you were in the car, so yes, the driver should really make a better job, but the cyclist could have totally avoided any incident... the only time you'd be blase about this would be if you were driving a tank...

so yeah,, driver is lax, but cyclist could see what was happening and should have avoided it..

 

[Sh4rkyBloke]

Crap cycling (undertaking the taxi who is clearly indicating) and then poor reactions to a slowly developing situation... however, the car should have checked better too. I'd say it was both parties at fault... and no need/point kicking the car like that, just brake and shout/airzound it.

 

[Moodyman]

That cyclist is a tool. He undertook a left indicating taxi and then went into the centre of the road when Gaz says there were no right turns ahead for several hundred yards.

Driver made an error in pulling out, but cyclist made not effort to slow down/swerve. Instead, he continued pedalling.

Kicking the car may be a knee jerk reaction but it serves no good.

I say 75:25 blame on cyclist.

 

[Bollo]

Going with the herd on this one. No-one a winner. Poor bit of driving and a couple of rubbish bits of cycling. I'd have been displeased, but would hope I'd be more worried about taking evasive action safely rather than unbalancing myself by kicking out.

 

[ianrauk]

Crap cycling (undertaking the taxi who is clearly indicating) and then poor reactions to a slowly developing situation... however, the car should have checked better too. I'd say it was both parties at fault... and no need/point kicking the car like that, just brake and shout/airzound it.

Agree 100% with this

 

[magnatom]

I have to say I am shocked with the responses to this video! No way was the cyclist in the wrong.

I also have to say that in no way was the driver in the wrong!


In fact they were both just doing what Gaz had paid them to do a day earlier so that Gaz had a video to post on youtube. Therefore, it was Gaz's fault. He created the the whole incident in his head 3 days before, he hired the actors (driver and cyclist) and paid for the police to close the road off during the filming.


Why can't anyone else see this!!!

 

[magnatom]

Oh and the taxi driver was Gaz's friend Terry, who was just doing it for the fame.

 

[4F]

Crap cycling (undertaking the taxi who is clearly indicating) and then poor reactions to a slowly developing situation... however, the car should have checked better too. I'd say it was both parties at fault... and no need/point kicking the car like that, just brake and shout/airzound it.

Yep would agree with that as well, poor obsertaion on both parties

 

[theclaud]

I wonder if everyone would be so hard on the cyclist if they hadn't seen him do that numpty undertake a moment before. It doesn't, after all, have any bearing on whether the car should have pulled out in front of him, which it shouldn't - and I don't think the driver has much to complain about when he gets a disgruntled boot. As for the amount of time he was indicating, that's partly my point - had he looked before indicating and acted decisively he could have pulled out before the cyclist got near him. However he indicated then waited till the cyclist was almost upon him, and pulled out directly into his path - unfortunately an all too familiar situation, which doesn't say much for motorists' thinking and reaction speeds, let alone their observational skills. As for the cyclist's position, I think it's quite sensible to take that kind of right-hand lane early, as it leaves no doubt as to your intentions and discourages drivers who intend to take the left-hand lane from trying to overtake you first.

 

[BSRU]

I have to say I am shocked with the responses to this video! No way was the cyclist in the wrong.

I also have to say that in no way was the driver in the wrong!


In fact they were both just doing what Gaz had paid them to do a day earlier so that Gaz had a video to post on youtube. Therefore, it was Gaz's fault. He created the the whole incident in his head 3 days before, he hired the actors (driver and cyclist) and paid for the police to close the road off during the filming.


Why can't anyone else see this!!!

If this is true where are the dinosaurs, aliens and scantily clad ladies?