Why is it so difficult to take a bike on a train?

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Bollo

Failed Tech Bro
Location
Winch
hackbike 666 said:
That's true,new trains aren't built for cyclists although the 444's have 6 bike spaces.

Can't remember how many the 450's hold doh.

Shame on you hackers!! The 450s have a flipdown seat section that can hold an unspecified number of bikes, as long as the owners are willing to negotiate the order in which they're stacked. My personal record is 9 bikes, inclubing one tandem (mine). But all it takes is one belligerent @rse to sit on a flip-down seat despite there being plenty of space elsewhere and the space is reduced to nil.
 
Do they hold two or four? I reckon it's four.Officially.

I just cannot remember.Must pay attention in class.
 

Norm

Guest
Kaipaith said:
Those that break the norm, break the pattern.
Oh, please don't break me, I've only taken the bike on a train a couple of times and always outside peak periods. :becool:

Kaipaith said:
...therefore we slow them down outside of their perceived norms.
Nope, there's very little that can make Norm go much slower, perception or not. :laugh:
 

upsidedown

Waiting for the great leap forward
Location
The middle bit
Doesn't matter what you provide for bikes, some gormless idiot will get on and stand in the space and stare blankly at you if you ask him to sit in the perfectly good passenger seats.
Human nature at it's worst.
 

snorri

Legendary Member
Kaipaith said:
Aaaaand that's exactly how it works.
I just thought you sounded too accepting of the situation.:becool:
The staff and management of public transport companies know they are going to be dealing with the public, and anyone who works with the public knows there will be a few awkward customers. That is one of the challenges in the transport industry, ensuring all of those wishing to travel, even the awkward brigade, are provided with satisfactory levels of service.
We must not give up the fight!:laugh:
 

Bollo

Failed Tech Bro
Location
Winch
snorri said:
I just thought you sounded too accepting of the situation.:becool:
The staff and management of public transport companies know they are going to be dealing with the public, and anyone who works with the public knows there will be a few awkward customers. That is one of the challenges in the transport industry, ensuring all of those wishing to travel, even the awkward brigade, are provided with satisfactory levels of service.
We must not give up the fight!:laugh:

Agree with Kaipaith on this. Transport is usually not a discretionary purchase. We travel because we have to. Like any other company, the private rail companies are interested in maximising profit, but unlike most other companies they don't have retain the customer or compete for their market share. The business plan writes itself - reduce customer-facing staff, squeeze the punter (metaphorically and literally) and cut out any activity (like bike facilities) that doesn't directly contribute to the bottom line.

My own transport service provider and hacker's employer, SWT (a Stagecoach company) is a master at this. Recent 'service improvements' have included....

The introduction of barriers across the network (they often fail and require full time station staff backup, but the contracted-out ticket checkers can all be dumped even though they provide front line customer services)

The introduction of machines as the primary ticketing facility at stations, including mainline stations (allowing SWT to reduce ticket office staff, even though most non-regular travellers find the machines impossible to use) and

A focus on 'revenue protection' over customer service (your ticket will typically be checked once on the train in addition to checks at the departing and arriving stations, but on-train issues such as mobile use in the quiet zone, drunk or disruptive passengers, out-of-order toilets, failed or ignored seat reservations etc are rarely addressed)

OK, rant over. But the family-Bollo spend as much on train travel as we do on our mortgage in a typical month, so I think I count as a 'stakeholder'. What worries me is not the current level of service, but the direction that the service is taking. It's not good for the customer, its probably not good for the staff, but its good for the shareholder so the rest of you can f*** off.
 

Bollo

Failed Tech Bro
Location
Winch
hackbike 666 said:
I think SWT need to get as much proit as possible to pay off the franchise?

True enough, although I thought that SWT had negotiated an effective continuation of its subsidy during the recession.

For a view on the current SWT subsidies and car park charges see...

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Bu...e-Reimbursement-Terms/Article/200904415271066

(sorry about the Sky link)
 
Didn't SWT overbid for the franchise?Allegedly.No respite from the government.
Then there is the credit crunch disaster meaning a drop in passenger numbers and higher expenses.
 

Bollo

Failed Tech Bro
Location
Winch
hackbike 666 said:
Didn't SWT overbid for the franchise?Allegedly.No respite from the government.
Then there is the credit crunch disaster meaning a drop in passenger numbers and higher expenses.

I thought Stagecoach negotiated a pretty good deal on the franchise, but this is purely from memory. Certainly other operators caught a cold, for example National Express's East Coast franchise.

Another factor in the crazee world of train travel is that a proportion of the rolling stock is owned by various banks and leased to the train companies. The banks are not in a charitable mood at the mo', so are unlikely to either upgrade the rolling stock or cut a deal over leasing costs.

BTW, the first person to invoke 'Passenger Focus' on this thread will incur my full and righteous wrath!
 
Nice analysis kaipath and bollo.

Rail privatisation only makes sense when you look at it with two ideas in mind:
1) it was a poison pill left behind by a failing Conservative government for an incoming Labour one, and

2) it was a (one of a series of) cynical new mechanism to transfer money from public to private hands (along with "marketising" health, school meals, etc. etc.)
 
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