I saw a London United bus this morning and thought it was on fire with the amount of black smoke bellowing from it . This was from as far away as i could see on a straight road . It pisses me off that i was hit in the wallet big time and my business suffered yet everyone else can smoke around in what they want .
Why pick on diesel?
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subaqua
What’s the point
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- Leytonstone
We made the choice for petrol in her new car. Will cost us more per annum but if it helps remove the PM10 levels. Reduce not feckin remove
Cycleops
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- Accra, Ghana
You think you've got it bad. The BBC reported recently that a Swiss company was responsible for importing sub standard diesel into West Africa which had forty times the pollutants than those allowed in European fuels.
It's the particles inherent in diesel emissions that make it so damaging.
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mustang1
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- London, UK
We're moving to a situation where if you buy a diesel car, you will pay less tax for co2 emission but more for NOx pollution. If you buy petrol then more tax for co2 emission and less tax for NOx emission.
So I guess in the end just buy the car you want because the tax you pay will be very similar.
The only way out is go LEV or ZEV and they have their own set of problems.
So I guess in the end just buy the car you want because the tax you pay will be very similar.
The only way out is go LEV or ZEV and they have their own set of problems.
mustang1
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Because it's not been registered in 2017 when you will pay more.
NorthernDave
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I'll admit I've got a small diesel car. I get better fuel economy, I personally find diesels nicer to drive and I'm (just) doing the mileage where it makes financial sense too. It's as "green" as a normal car with an internal combustion engine gets and it has Stop/Start so it doesn't sit in traffic queues pumping out any emissions - the only emissions are when it's moving. It is properly maintained, it spends most of it's life on A roads and motorways and it doesn't ever kick out black clouds of soot when it's driven. And I drop Mrs ND at work / pick her up on a night so I'm also car sharing.
I would dearly love to get a ZEV, but that means going electric and that can't happen with current infrastructure: I live in a terrace house with on street parking so no drive / garage to park it in while it's charging. I could run an extension lead out of the letterbox and across the pavement, but I'm fairly sure that either someone would trip over it and sue me, or I'd come out in the morning and find it had been unplugged before it was charged. And that's assuming I can get parked outside my own house and not 100yds up the street.
There is virtually nowhere in the town where I work to charge an EV either. The only place I can think of is a supermarket a mile or so away from work which has two charging points and a two hour limit on parking...
I've tried public transport, but even with the congestion on the roads, using the car takes at least 30 minutes less and depending on the time of day that I finish this can be considerably more. The cost is also comparable with running a car and I've been the lucky recipient of a written warning for time keeping from my employers last time I used public transport for any length of time as it was so unreliable (I ended up going for the train before the train before the train I needed to catch on a morning and still failed to get to work on time at least a couple of times a month). So that's a no for regular commuting.
So, happy to take a more environmentally friendly choice when there is one that works for me. Until then It's the car.
PS - the car is only used rarely outside of commuting. This weekend it was parked up on Friday night and won't turn a wheel until Monday morning. Weekends we walk / cycle or use public transport whenever we can.
I would dearly love to get a ZEV, but that means going electric and that can't happen with current infrastructure: I live in a terrace house with on street parking so no drive / garage to park it in while it's charging. I could run an extension lead out of the letterbox and across the pavement, but I'm fairly sure that either someone would trip over it and sue me, or I'd come out in the morning and find it had been unplugged before it was charged. And that's assuming I can get parked outside my own house and not 100yds up the street.
There is virtually nowhere in the town where I work to charge an EV either. The only place I can think of is a supermarket a mile or so away from work which has two charging points and a two hour limit on parking...
I've tried public transport, but even with the congestion on the roads, using the car takes at least 30 minutes less and depending on the time of day that I finish this can be considerably more. The cost is also comparable with running a car and I've been the lucky recipient of a written warning for time keeping from my employers last time I used public transport for any length of time as it was so unreliable (I ended up going for the train before the train before the train I needed to catch on a morning and still failed to get to work on time at least a couple of times a month). So that's a no for regular commuting.
So, happy to take a more environmentally friendly choice when there is one that works for me. Until then It's the car.
PS - the car is only used rarely outside of commuting. This weekend it was parked up on Friday night and won't turn a wheel until Monday morning. Weekends we walk / cycle or use public transport whenever we can.
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