With all the deaths from left turning lorries in London...

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Gixxerman

Guru
Location
Market Rasen
Serious question then. So how can you make such people aware of the dangers?

Public information films?
Like the "Think Bike" or "Green Cross Code Man" ones of the past.
But maybe not like the slightly more bizzare "Charlie the cat" series I remember from my youth.
Not sure how much good these would do, other than maybe giving some out of work actor a bit of much needed work.
Might be worth a try though.
 

Jezston

Über Member
Location
London
Or we could do what they do in many other cities around the world and restrict access of HGVs in city centres.

Why would someone need to drive a massive lorry through central London during rush hour anyway?
 

Night Train

Maker of Things
Why would someone need to drive a massive lorry through central London during rush hour anyway?

Ummmm, they are driving for the purpose of their work????:whistle:
It's like asking why cyclists need to ride their bikes during rush hour on the assumption they can get their excercise in the park at weekends.

Not every working person in London, or any other city, works 9-5 in an office.

I used to have a Land Rover for site work in London (yes, it is muddy even on a London building site) and carried large, heavy and messy loads to and from building sites.

I guess the lorries are delivering/collecting loads from commercial places of work during the day so as not to be driving at night where, IIRC, there are night time lorry bans in some areas.
 

Arch

Married to Night Train
Location
Salford, UK
Isn't there a degree of common sense involved in this? I knew that undertaking big trucks was not a good idea without being on a forum and without being aware of the deaths. You just have to watch one of the things turn to realise that being on the inside of its turning circle is not a healthy place to be.

The thing about common sense is, that like many formerly common species, it is actually quite rare.

Even drivers of cars frequently have little idea how much space a lorry or bus, or even a medium sized van, requires to turn. For a lot of people, it's not until they drive one that they get it. If they never drive one, they may never figure it out.

How to get the message across? Stickers on lorries, hard hitting public information films and proper road safety training in school, from the earliest age, reinforced frequently, with the hope of educating the whole population, not just cyclists, or drivers, or pedestrians.

I did the 'down the left of a bus' thing once, with added railings. I was lucky, and after I'd straightened my handlebars out, I knew never to do it again. Sadly, some people get away with it until the day they don't and they don't get the chance to learn from the experience. (the same of course goes for a lot of motor traffic and pedestrian behaviour).

There's no doubt that the number of lorries in cities could be reduced, with a bit of blue sky thinking and the will to do it. But there will always be buses, and some lorries, and people have to learn to look after themselves.
 

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
some cyclists may run a greater risk than others, but, equally, some types of lorry present a far greater risk than others...
 

gaz

Cycle Camera TV
Location
South Croydon
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Origamist is the person to ask, but after a certain year (2007?) all trucks have a class IV mirror fitted which looks down in front of the cab and to the ns front corner.

This, with the other mirrors set up correctly would mean no blind spots - apart from when turning an artic of course.
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Doesn't help if the lorry driver can't see.
 

martint235

Dog on a bike
Location
Welling
I agree with Lee on this one. It is up to the individual. Watching that video and watching what I see other cyclists do on the road, there are actions that border on lunacy. No matter what you do, short of removing all other traffic (and probably all other cyclists), there are people willing to perform actions on a bike that will lead to them getting hurt.
 
About 4-5 months ago in my town centre the same thing happened to a cyclist but he couldn't escape onto the pavement because railings were there!!:ohmy:. I went past just after it had happened and his bike was a mangled wreck! After asking around i found he had only suffered a broken leg and he is on the mend.:thumbsup:. I don't know who was at fault as i didn't witness it but having seen his bike he was lucky to survive!
 
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Hehehe. Who was that cyclist you fell on whilst he was undertaking you some weeks back?


"Stern words." I like the euphemism.


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Ah yes, my second clipless moment had a soft landing and taught an undertaking prick on a BSO a life lesson!
 

Arch

Married to Night Train
Location
Salford, UK
1597867 said:
I saw a grabber lorry this evening which had an audible warning that was being repeated all the time the left indicator was on at the lights "warning this vehicle is turning left".

I'm torn about that. One the one hand, it's great to have extra warning, and it would be especially valuable if a driver failed to indicate while stationary, and a cyclist went up the left, and then the driver indicated, because the cyclist would hear it, where they might not be able to see the lights.

On the other hand, if a driver is indicating in good time, and a cyclist still goes up the left, are they any more likely to understand and take heed of an audible warning? Result, just more noise pollution in urban areas. I already wake to "Caution, this vehicle is reversing" as the bin lorry does my street...
 
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Twanger

Twanger

Über Member
I'm torn about that. One the one hand, it's great to have extra warning, and it would be especially valuable if a driver failed to indicate while stationary, and a cyclist went up the left, and then the driver indicated, because the cyclist would hear it, where they might not be able to see the lights.

On the other hand, if a driver is indicating in good time, and a cyclist still goes up the left, are they any more likely to understand and take heed of an audible warning? Result, just more noise pollution in urban areas. I already wake to "Caution, this vehicle is reversing" as the bin lorry does my street...


True, and also not much use for those silly, silly cyclists who bung up their lugholes with iPods.
 

pshore

Well-Known Member
Has anyone seen Ice Road Truckers - Most Dangerous Roads ?

Its set in India where the roads are crowded, dangerous or both. The construction trucks are sent with two people, a driver and a spotter who acts as a second set of eyes and can jump out and guide where necessary.

An idea so simple, so achievable, so obvious.
 
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