Witnessed a motorist lose control this evening

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Twilkes

Guru
He wasn't upset at being overtaken was he? Like this poor fella

There are a surprising amount of videos on Youtube of men in high performance cars that have no idea how to drive them. His reticence at pulling out from the inside lane was the first clue, then the rush of blood to the accelerator when he tried to overtake was the next clue.

If you freeze-frame at 0:13 you can just about make out the photo of the daughter-aged wife.
 

Dan B

Disengaged member
. Do you drive a car ? Do you spend the day in third ? It's all a bit daft
I drive at a speed appropriate to the conditions (which for the avoidance of doubt includes the applicable limit for that stretch of road) and in a gear appropriate to that speed. It sounds a but like you have the process backward there
 

Lancj1

Active Member
I don't really have the process backwards...However the motorist in me does have some fairly strong views about speed limits and driving controls in the Uk. Some areas the speed limit should be 5 mph at times and 40 at others, but not 30 all day. Some times lights should be switched off to let road users do things like use their eyes and ears to give way. Sometimes motorway limits should be 100mph, and at other times 30mph on the same stretch. Instead we stick stupid limits there 24hrs a day, big signs telling you to slow down, speed cameras that give you three points at 4am in summer with no other person in site.

Then there is bad driving. That's nothing to do with the above paragraph. None of us are bad drivers are we.
 

Lancj1

Active Member
2353385 said:
I am not entirely sure but have been told in the past that there are whole websites and forums where providing an outlet for winges from motorists are the whole purpose

My point precisely. I'm a cyclist too. I suppose that's a bit complicated to understand. I should start roadusers.net maybe ?
 

Dan B

Disengaged member
I don't really have the process backwards...However the motorist in me does have some fairly strong views about speed limits and driving controls in the Uk. Some areas the speed limit should be 5 mph at times and 40 at others, but not 30 all day. Some times lights should be switched off to let road users do things like use their eyes and ears to give way. Sometimes motorway limits should be 100mph, and at other times 30mph on the same stretch. Instead we stick stupid limits there 24hrs a day, big signs telling you to slow down, speed cameras that give you three points at 4am in summer with no other person in site.
I don't necessarily agree with all you've said, but it's a commonly held viewpoint and perhaps even a defensible one. However,

1) those speed limits generally should be arrived at by a process involving a safety assessment of the road and the wishes of the local communities (if any) through which it passes, not merely on the apparent inability of your car to go anywhere in third gear. (Mine is often happy in fourth at 30, fwiw - more fuel economical too)

2) once the limit has been agreed, it really is no hardship to treat it as such.
 

Crankarm

Guru
Location
Nr Cambridge
I've seen 2 prangs happen. A couple of years ago in Huntingdon a red MGTF wheel spun away from traffic lights as they turned green. Road went immediately left then bent around to the right and then a left hand bend. The guy fishtailed it on each bend but each fish tail got progressively worse until he totally lost control of his car stuffing the rear offside into the kerb of a left hand bend. Car flew about 6 foot into the air coming down on the pavement fortunately no one was on it. Rear wheel was smashed and rear suspension was totally taken out. Ha-ha!

A few years earlier I saw a woman drive her Ford Fiesta straight into a deep drainage ditch exiting a sharp right bend, she just clipped the grass verge on the nearside as she tried to make it round the bend. She was brushing her hair seconds before when she passed me. The car flipped onto it's roof into the ditch which fortunately for her didn't have much water in it. Turned out she worked at Cambs HQ Cop Shop - Ha-ha! I got her out her car as she was hanging upside down and stayed with until her an ambulance and her police friends turned up.
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
I didn't note the make and model, but it looked very ordinary, certainly not a high performance car.

This isn't the first accident I have seen on this stretch of the A281. Earlier this winter someone managed to write off their car and destroy a lamp post in the process at the roundabout with the A29 Ockley/Dorking road. Didn't see that happening, just saw the wrecked car and flattened lamp post.

I wonder what lies in store next week when the next winter blast from the east arrives with accompanying snow.
plenty of crashes according to the local news
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
It's not too much of an issue about the money, as indeed, you could (and would) be charged. It's about the numbers. The numbers that follow regarding drivers and cities are taken from a quick Google, so I give no guarantee on their accuracy!

There are 30 million drivers in the UK, approximately. For the sake of simplicity, let's pretend they are evenly spread out in the year they passed their test, which means there are 6 million drivers that need to re sit their five yearly test this year.

There are 50 cities in the UK. Let's assume one testing centre per city. I don't think this is unreasonable - certainly there wasn't a testing centre in the town I grew up in and I had to go to the nearest city instead. Again, assuming that the drivers are spread out evenly across the UK, this means each centre has to process 120,000 drivers each year.

That's 328 drivers every day. That ignores any retests (if allowed!).

Assuming the test would take roughly an hour (call it 40 mins on the road and 20 mins admin), and that's eating centre work a twelve hour day, that means you still have to give 27 tests every hour - so you'd need about 27 trained examiners working twelve hour days, seven days a week!

Even if you up the number of test centres to 300 in the UK (three per city, and an equal number around the rest of the uk), and have examiners working twelve hour nonstop days, seven days a week, you still need five examiners doing these hours at every single centre to process the numbers!

It's just too much to process.

However, if you make it a necessity to resist the driving test if you are involved in an accident and the insurance companies (or police) deem you to be at fault, I suspect that would make the numbers a bit more realistic... This would include damage only, no one else involved accidents like the one the OP saw - as long as he had to claim on his insurance ofc.
You lack ambition!

Assume every town with a population of 5,000 or more in UK gets its own test centre (we will come up with mobile testing stations for highlands and islands and mid-wales etc.

Re-do the maths....
 
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