Workplace Parking II - Tax Spaces ?

[Linford]

[QUOTE 2039867, member: 45"]Ignorant, rude, and poorly thought out.[/quote]

As the Gov is still spending substantially more than it is receiving in taxes, it is an unpaletable and undeniable truth. Jumping up and down about whether people actually make a fair and valid contribution in various aspects of our society should be viewed as a whole, and not just how they commute to a place of work so their efforts can fund the lifestyles of others who's current lifestyle, and beyond retirement security is heplingto secure.

Without those people running cars to get to the jobs which helps to balance to the books of the nation, there would be anyone employed in public service.

 

[User482]

I don't think any bus network makes a profit, and it's impossible to entirely separate one city route from the next. The person the travels on the half empty 417 will then queue to get on the rammed 59. No 417 and the 59 runs light. Equally - the person that goes to work at six in the morning may be returning when the buses are rammed - if they can't get to work, the bus home will be light. All you can do is to tailor the network to needs and to recognise that at some times the buses will be light and at others they will be full

Sadly, public transport in many cities isn't as well organised as London. What happens here is that a single operator has monopolised the profitable routes, and charges a considerable sum for using them. The council then contracts the operator to provide additional routes & times.

 

[Black Sheep]

I gave up on busses when I found that I actually needed to be somewhere.

I got a road bike.

on a serious note, I can never seem to find out which bus I need to get on or where it goes in relation to my destination, for example I know the bus that rolls past my house goes to Bury from reading the front of it, but I can not find out where in Bury it goes to to figure where I need to get off.
The steam railway is much more useful as I can find easily where in Bury it runs to and when - and that's a tourist attraction, not a transport system!

 

[User482]

I gave up on busses when I found that I actually needed to be somewhere.

I got a road bike.

on a serious note, I can never seem to find out which bus I need to get on or where it goes in relation to my destination, for example I know the bus that rolls past my house goes to Bury from reading the front of it, but I can not find out where in Bury it goes to to figure where I need to get off.
The steam railway is much more useful as I can find easily where in Bury it runs to and when - and that's a tourist attraction, not a transport system!

I used to get the bus to Bury every day! Where do you live?

 

[Black Sheep]

then they should sell as much of the car park for development as they can

it only holds 15 cars, as such staff end up parking on the residential streets nearby resulting in staff needing to walk in pairs to their cars if late at night, deliberate damage being done to cars by residents (rough area) and the road being 'interesting' to drive along.

you would not be able to get planning permission to put a house on the site of the car-park as it is too small and no business would want to set up there as it's miles away from the centre of town but near an industrial estate with cheaper more extensive land.
as such, the land is worthless.

also, selling the carpark would put those 15 cars onto the road parking-wise making it even harder to get the bus down.

we've already established that the cars are needed for the job that their owners do

 

[dellzeqq]

we've already established that the cars are needed for the job that their owners do

if that's the case then the employer will have to pick up the bill

(oh - and I put a house on four spaces...)

 

[Black Sheep]

If I could figure out the bus timetable i'd love to move to the utopia you obviously live in.

 

[Archie_tect]

Yup, you can get a decent 4 bed two storey house on 5x10 metres footprint depending on fire gap space, and privacy... providing the plot has direct access onto a road + an area for external amenity space [could be a roof garden?] and an in-curtilage parking space [for now at least, which could be converted to future living/ storage space.]

Surely all this hassle about personal transport and public transport is that businesses and people are in the wrong place... Begin with "I wouldn't start from here"- we need to widen our horizons and be more mobile in our aspirations for change and less confined to the geographical area we resolutely cling on to, to live and work ...then everything immediately becomes more adaptable.

Mind you I can't think of any grand plans or New Towns which have successfully embodied all these best practice requirements and still function in modern society the way they were envisaged... Cumbernauld, Killingworth and Milton Keynes certainly haven't. Perhaps the London 'villages' are the best examples.

People and employers need to change their focus within the next one or two generations so that they are flexible enough to alter their lifestyles so that they can live and work within manageable walking or accessible distance from the workplaces, shops and the services that they regularly need. In large cities this is far easier but it will require a radical threshold shift [eventually].

 

[Linford]

[QUOTE 2040123, member: 45"]Nonsense, and you know it and you ought to be able to work it out.[/quote]

Well, I think that anyone who is drawing a wage which comes from the public purse should be taxed on any grace and favour space granted, and anyone in private industry who works in businesses which exports and brings in hard foreign currency, should get their spaces subsidised out of the aforesaid taxes.
In fact it is about time they started taxing public sector worker across the board at 50p in the pound for any wage above the national average

 

[User482]

Well, I think

Unlikely.

 

[User482]

If I could figure out the bus timetable i'd love to move to the utopia you obviously live in.

It's some years since I lived near Bury, but back then the public transport was very good.

 

[threebikesmcginty]

(oh - and I put a house on four spaces...)

or

 

[srw]

Without those people running cars to get to the jobs which helps to balance to the books of the nation, there would be anyone employed in public service.

Without public service there wouldn't be any jobs for them to drive to, or roads for them to drive on.

It's a bit of a catch-22, isn't it?

 

[dellzeqq]

to carry on from Archie's point - collectively we've made a rod for our own backs. We've arranged our towns, suburbs and 'exurbs' as if mobility is limitless. It's not, and there's the distinct possibility that mobility will decline.

Something has to give. Car commuting in to central London has declined rapidly, but, thanks to Ken, public transport took up the slack. What has changed, and for the worse, is that dwellings have spread across what used to be the countryside, turning almost all of the southeast, large swathes of the West Midlands, Lancashire, Yorkshire and even the northeast in to exurbia - where people live vast distances from where they work, shop, study or pray. These people besiege towns like Nottingham, Birmingham, Leicester, Oxford and so on, throttling the streets with cars occupied by a single person. Work patterns sometimes call for a hundred miles and more a day at the wheel.

It's not going to last. People want their streets back. Those of you who think it's normal to drive in to a town you don't live in, then drive to another part of town to shop are just going to have to get over yourselves. I want my high street, one of the least successful in London because it is besieged from within by vehicles, to be a bit more like Clapham High Street, where people walk and cycle and vehicles are slowed almost to walking pace. I'm fed up with commuters cutting down my little street in the hope of saving themselves a wait at a red light on the South Circular, and I'm far from the only one, which gives me some confidence that eventually Lambeth will gate the road, as they have other roads nearby. So...........time is against the car in cities and towns. Get used to the idea, and make alternative arrangements.......

 

[benb]

You would never say that you one of the women on here, so why say it to me ?

Touchy.
1) it was obviously a joke
2) I have no idea what you actually look like
3) you don't know what I would and wouldn't say to other posters