Would a different bike be that much better?

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Maizie

Maizie

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Downward said:
What's your fitness levels like ?
Low but improving rapidly - I had a week on hols in May, and was not as fit as I wanted to be. That's what prompted me to get the bike out. Then last week I was on hols again, and walking was sooooo much easier. On the craggy bits of Hadrian's Wall, I could manage without my husband thinking I was going to die before I got to the top :smile:

I can now cycle my entire journey without stopping, without having legs that won't walk upstairs when I finsihed, and without aching the next day - all things that were not true after my first commute in June. So I'm probably ready to try consecutive days of commuting, but there's a psychological hurdle there...

Anyway, the speed thing doesn't bother me too much. I do get overtaken by other cyclists sometimes, but so what - I also got to overtake one for the first time the week before last ;) And, I cycle because I enjoy it - if I go faster, it'll take less time, so less time enjoying myself...
 

BentMikey

Rider of Seolferwulf
Location
South London
Something I forgot to mention is that moving to a flat bar hybrid will bring only a small improvement in on-road performance. Moving to a full road bike with drops will give the most improvement.
 

roshi chris

New Member
Location
London
IMO you should check out a cyclo-cross bike. In case you don't know they are basically road bikes, but with various modifications. So you get the speed/ efficiency of a road bike but with the potential for better braking, wider tyres, rack/ mudguard mounts etc.
They are becoming ever more popular for commuters. Have a look at this for an example -

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/images/focus-cross-disc-08.jpg
 

BentMikey

Rider of Seolferwulf
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South London
Cyclocross bikes are great, but for road riding? Focus of purpose is what it's all about, you don't need the bigger clearances, disc brakes, and all that other stuff for riding on road, you need it for off road. That's why road bikes don't have all that extra unnecessary stuff. It would be a different story if you wanted a good all-rounder of course.
 
roshi chris said:
IMO you should check out a cyclo-cross bike. In case you don't know they are basically road bikes, but with various modifications. So you get the speed/ efficiency of a road bike but with the potential for better braking, wider tyres, rack/ mudguard mounts etc.
They are becoming ever more popular for commuters. Have a look at this for an example -

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/images/focus-cross-disc-08.jpg


How would one of these bikes compare to a full road bike on the road. Would it be a noticeable difference if slicks were used?
 
BentMikey said:
Cyclocross bikes are great, but for road riding? Focus of purpose is what it's all about, you don't need the bigger clearances, disc brakes, and all that other stuff for riding on road, you need it for off road. That's why road bikes don't have all that extra unnecessary stuff. It would be a different story if you wanted a good all-rounder of course.


Ah, you've just answered my question. That's what I thought. If and when I get a new bike I think it will be a road bike with drops ;) (I've succumbed!) But there is such a plethora of bikes out there it is hard to know what I should include in my search. I suppose by the time I've woked out what I want, I might even have the money....;)
 

domtyler

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roshi chris said:
IMO you should check out a cyclo-cross bike. In case you don't know they are basically road bikes, but with various modifications. So you get the speed/ efficiency of a road bike but with the potential for better braking, wider tyres, rack/ mudguard mounts etc.
They are becoming ever more popular for commuters. Have a look at this for an example -

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/images/focus-cross-disc-08.jpg

Can't see mounts for mudguards or rear or front racks on that bike and the knobbly tyres would need to be swapped out for a start.
 

Maz

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I've noticed in this thread some folk referring to "full road bikes". What does "full" mean here?
 
I would imagine the Trek 7.5 FX to be a kilo or two heavy than a "full on road bike", yet it will afford you the luxuries of mudguard clearance and easy rack mountings. The extra weight means your acceleration will be a little slower and hills will be slightly harder relative to a full on road bike.

What the full on road bike will do, is give more choice on positioning your hands and body. If you are stuck in a crosswind, you can get your hands down onto the bottom of the drop bars for a full aero tuck. The drop bars are better for bracing onto if you accelerate fast away from traffic lights. And, they are also good for giving a variety of different positions for holding the handle bars which makes for more comfort over longer distances.

To my mind, a "full on road bike" really means a racing bike, and that possibly means it won't have concessions to fit mudguards and a rack easily. That said, it will feel much nimbler, a bit sportier and that little difference can mean a much more exciting commute. The geometry of a full on road bike is usually quite aggressive to maintain frame stiffness, fast cornering and give a more aero position.

It might be possible to get a not so full on road bike with slightly relaxed geometry for a bit more stability and comfort, clearances for mudguards and braze ons for fitting a rack. These take a little more finding out though and actually either tend to be low end frames which are nearly as heavy as hybrid counterparts or much more expensive frames that are really, too good for commuting!

You might be sensible looking at a touring bike, which again is a road bike, but it will accept slightly wider tyres, have all the clearances and brazes on desirable for commuting and a wider range of gears.

People mention cyclocross bikes. These quite often come with adequate clearance to fit mudguards and rack braze ons, but if you want a womens specific design you will be hard pushed to find one. They are also probably getting on for as heavy as hybrids and tourers.

Lots of different manufacturers develop bikes with different philosophies. There is quite a lot of crossover between them. It's worthwhile taking time to go to a big bike shop and have a look through their range. And also try a few. Work out whether you are more comfortable on a normal frame, or a womens specific frame. If you are looking for a smaller bike, than you may find it harder to get what you want, although it's more than worth perservering. It's your bike. It's a very personal choice.

I'm a big believer in having different bikes for different purposes.
 

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
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South Manchester
Don't forget, if cash is tight, then adding some fast slicks to an MTB will give great results, although the bikes are heavy. I have 3 bikes, two road, and an MTB. My MTB was converted to commuting duties, 1.2 slicks and full mud guards..... still rather heavy - about 14kg's loaded, but I can still make a fool of 7-8kg carbon road bikes......on my commute.... like tonight.

A slicked up MTB is probably about 3-4 minutes slower over a 10 miles commute than a road bike - say about 2-3 mph. A hybrid, with good fast tyres will be about 1-2 mph slower than a road bike.
 

neslon

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Something no-one has told you yet is that whatever bike you buy next, it will highlight the need for a different one later - accept the fact now, and understand that in an indeterminate time, you will have a road bike, a hybrid, an MTB and several other, usually unjustifiable models. So it doesn't really matter which order you buy them in, just how you persuade your partner that they really need to live in the kitchen.
 
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Maizie

Maizie

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neslon said:
Something no-one has told you yet is that whatever bike you buy next, it will highlight the need for a different one later - accept the fact now
Oh, fortunately I am well aware of that - I have some other hobbies that result in the constant need for upgrades and/or more of the same. Even more fotunately, my husband has a main hobby with the same issue :biggrin:
 

roshi chris

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London
Cyclocross bikes are great, but for road riding? Focus of purpose is what it's all about, you don't need the bigger clearances, disc brakes, and all that other stuff for riding on road, you need it for off road. That's why road bikes don't have all that extra unnecessary stuff.

I generally agree, nevertheless people often still want bigger clearances so they can fit bigger, comfier tyres, they want more a upright position for better visibility, they often want disc brakes because they do offer marginally better braking (certainly than calipers). The OP expressed interest in these elements. You could just recommend a Trek Madone to everyone but its missing the point of this forum somewhat isn't it?
 
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