Yet Another Carlton Corsa!

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garryh

New Member
carltoncorsa 1.jpg I am hopeful that a picture is below, this image came from http://www.bikebroth....uk/carlton.htm which is a great little site. For me it is the holy grail as the Aqua Green Godess in the pic is identical to my bike from the 70s. It clearly shows the sadle that my bike had. Can anyone shed any light on what it was?

Regards Garry

PS sorry it has come out a thumbnail but as a newbie I am still finding my way around!
 

Spokesmann

Keeping the Carlton and Sun names alive...
Location
Plymouth, Devon
[attachment=4495:carltoncorsa 1.jpg]I am hopeful that a picture is below, this image came from http://www.bikebroth....uk/carlton.htm which is a great little site. For me it is the holy grail as the Aqua Green Godess in the pic is identical to my bike from the 70s. It clearly shows the sadle that my bike had. Can anyone shed any light on what it was?

Regards Garry

PS sorry it has come out a thumbnail but as a newbie I am still finding my way around!



Im a big fan of the Bike Brothers site, always regularly visit to see what Nic and Andy have been up to!

The Carlton page is lovely!
 

garryh

New Member
Mike - yes, if you give Lloyds a call. I think Nick runs them off to order.

Garry, that saddle is probably a Brooks Swift - happily still available brand new from Brooks: http://www.brookseng...+Swallow+Chrome They look lovely! I'd love an excuse to get one for on of my bikes...

Cheers Goldie

Having checked the price I fear that will be another parcel that has to be delivered to work!!!...........("No dear iv'e had that sadle for ages")
 

yozzz

New Member
Hi there,


Picked up an old Carlton Corsa about a month ago at a local auction house. Required quite a bit of work (replacing rear wheel, cassette, chain, handlebar tape, brake cables etc etc!), but i'm now on the final stretch.

I've uploaded a recent photo. Just need to apply handlebar tape, mud-guards, and give the frame a good clean.

carlton.jpg
 

gilespargiter

Veteran
Location
N Wales
Interesting thread. I have just laid my hands on one of these to replace a Dawes frame I bent (whole another story).
Going back in the thread a bit, couple of points I'am surprised no-one has mentioned:
Cottered bottom brackets/cranks - The cotter pins need filing to fit exactly, also due to variations in the crank and spindle, if you fit different ones you need to re-file the cotterpins to fit. This mostly means replacing the cotterpins at the same time (for pennies).
When removing them you need to be very careful to support the crank itself - not just the BB. such as with a suitable old socket on a wooden block. This prevents the bearings bruising the races or acquiring flat spots, if this happens it of course means very short bearing life. Obviously for the cranks to be at 180deg they both need to be the same way round. Not so obvious is that the nut should be down when the pedal is forward. This tends to stop them (along with good fit) from working lose - as yours did. I doubt their are many LBS's that know this nowadays.
Raleigh used to make all their own unique threads. The fact that you need a Raleigh threaded BB likely indicates it is a late Carlton. They also used to use 22.1mm instead of 22.2mm stems quite often - although probably not on your Carlton.
These bottom bracket cups are still quite easily available as Raleigh cycles spread right across the British empire and are still extensively used. I have fitted two sets of these in the last three months. I acquired them from eBay for less than a tenner a set. Finding exactly the right length spindle is not quite so easy. It also seems impossible to find high spec. ones. In the past you could get aluminium cups with forged, machined races fitted and use a hollow aluminium spindle like wise fitted with machined steel races. When used with 25 grade full hardened ball bearings these were IMO better than anything on the market today for weight, efficiency, longevity and repairability. However what you can get, if you are careful, are not to bad. The cotterpins are also still available, they are used on machines other than bicycles. So if by any chance you cannot source them as cycle parts then a machine tool/specialist bolt supplier will be able to supply them by specification e.g. Hereford tool supplies.
May be interesting to note that when cotterless cranks first became available they were scorned by many. They have the problem that they need a specialist puller to remove - so another tool to carry or you can't do roadside repairs. Also early aluminium cranks had the problem that the taper flexed slightly and they kept coming lose (still do sometimes when newly fitted). Sometimes they even cracked across the corners.
Your cycle would just about certainly have been supplied with the option of 5/6 or 10/12 gear variations - using Sun tour derailleurs. I have just acquired a twelve gear one. To retrofit twin chain rings, you will need a longer BB spindle.
When you have ridden a bike like that, apart from bicycles which cover completely new fields (literally sometimes) IMO you can see how all others are for machinery manufacturers to get money out of fashion victims! What a waste of a good fast tourer/clubman to turn it into a fixie :-)
BTW quality for quality their is just about no difference between the weight of aluminium and steel frames. Aluminium frames first became widely available after WWII, when aircraft where being melted down and steel was in short supply. They have subsequently remained as early fatigue problems have been largely solved, on the back of the cheap-expensive nuclear power, we know so well. Mining and refining bauxite (aluminium ore), which is far more toxic than steel production, takes around eight times as much energy. Of course if you want to go the whole hog then ride a Bamboo bicycle and grow it in your garden; these were also made during WWII. They are slightly heavier than steel and said to be like a cross between steel and carbon fibre to ride ^_^
 
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Baggy

Baggy

Cake connoisseur
Interesting thread...
Some interesting stuff about cotters there, I didn't know about fitting them bolt down but would instinctively have done it this way as it just looks right somehow. The technique for removing cotterpins using a block etc does come up fairly often in the "Know How" section of the forum, I'm *just* old enough to remember how to do it from my last Carlton in the 80's, but just couldn't bash mine hard enough to get this one out. I can't remember filing them in the past either...possibly the reason my old bike had a loose crank!

One issue with new cotter pins is that there is a GB size and a continental size, the continental size is slightly smaller and the most readily available here. This could be another reason that they came loose on my bike so quickly. I tracked down some GB size ones from SJS cycles but the replacement BB and cranks work well so have stuck with them.

The Corsa in the original post is indeed of 1974 vintage, just after Raleigh took over, and was originally a 5 speed, with Huret gears. I've kept all the original BB parts, in the end the original cups cleaned up nicely and would probably run well enough with new bearings, so would be able to put it back to the original set up if we ever want to. The headset races and bearings are in great condition, I have no idea if they are a Raleigh specific size, too.

It does feel feel slightly more fragile compared to our modern steel bikes, the frame seems to have more flex so we treat it with care and it gets taken out on high days and holidays - but it's still going strong as a single speed and has recently clocked up its first ever century ride, even without gears! ^_^
 

paulw1969

Ridley rider
looking at these pictures i do believe i used to have a Carlton i reckon i was young as it was handed down to me by a cousin... i think from memory it was a deep blue metallic colour and not full sized.....it could not of been i doubt at my age then i would of got on it^_^
 

Spokesmann

Keeping the Carlton and Sun names alive...
Location
Plymouth, Devon
Looks very nice. 23" frame?

Getting the correct period pump of the time with a tapered nose would finish it off nicely! Needs a Brooks B5N in the saddle department though!
 

JorgeaR

New Member
Hello I just found your post and I have the same bike and I am looking for one of the fenders do you have them? or do you know how can I find it?

Regards
Jorge
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