Zwift Chat

[<Tommy>]

Just general fatique and maybe pure boredom . I did 1x40 min. in the real world the other day and that seemed easier than 2x20min on the turbo (using same bike and same power meter).

I totally know what you mean about the boredom. Cycling in the real world will always be king for me!

Regarding diet, I’d look at what I was eating before the session. Carbs aren’t the enemy! They give us the fuel we burn during training. But I’m sure you know that. Protein obviously for recovery and sustaining / growing muscle. Everything in moderation and of course you work out what you need personally because everyone is a little different.

My personal feeling is never quit anything unless you really have to. I use this philosophy for most things in life. On trainerroad they suggest it’s better to lower the intensity of a session rather than quit. I haven’t done it yet but I would before stopping. I just think it’s better to carry on and try and improve for next time.
Sometimes if you put in a really good session where you feel physically great and feel like you’ve made big progress. So it’s hard to take when you have a bad session next time. But I just tell myself that work, sleep, day of the week and lots of other things need to be factored in so don’t let it get you too self critical. It’s better to look at the bigger picture.

I struggle badly with the boredom on traineroad sessions sometimes to be honest, so I can fully understand that. Music and podcasts help me a little.

This is just little things I’ve picked up and may be different for you so I’m not claiming to be an expert!

 

[si_c]

Got on Zwift last night to do a planned high intensity recovery workout, but by the time I'd held the first block at 385, I knew I didn't have the legs to complete the first block let alone the full session. Swapped over to an SST workout, which should have been fine, but I just couldn't hold it. Bailed out and just did a bit of a low effort spin for a bit.

Bit of a miserable failure. Try again today maybe.

 

[bobinski]

I know what you are all going through. I got on the sofa last night, watched 2 episodes of Spiral, ate a nice meat ball pasta and then struggled, i mean really struggled, to get through a tub of Green and Blacks chocolate ice cream . I am going to try and finish it tonight...

 

[kipster]

I know what you are all going through. I got on the sofa last night, watched 2 episodes of Spiral, ate a nice meat ball pasta and then struggled, i mean really struggled, to get through a tub of Green and Blacks chocolate ice cream . I am going to try and finish it tonight...

That's the problem with ice cream, as its cold it takes more watts to finish it. A warm pudding and you'd have been ok.

 

[CXRAndy]

trainerroad they suggest it’s better to lower the intensity of a session rather than quit

That is true, apart from super short intervals, where the high intensity must be maintained. If for example it's 125-130% of FTP. If your effort starts to drop to 110% then abandon, you are not stressing the body enough. Multi minute intervals can be adjusted down a few percent to aid completion

 

[<Tommy>]

That is true, apart from super short intervals, where the high intensity must be maintained. If for example it's 125-130% of FTP. If your effort starts to drop to 110% then abandon, you are not stressing the body enough. Multi minute intervals can be adjusted down a few percent to aid completion

To be honest I disagree but I think it’s diffenrent strokes for different folks maybe Andy. I think there’s something to be gained from every session. Even if it’s a lesson in pushing yourself when not in great form. If I can’t hit targets I’d rather potentially adjust my training in the following days to allow for recovery rather than quit a session. Some of the sessions I’ve done I’ve gotten stronger as the sessions gone on though I might feel like I’m struggling at the start. And I’ve learnt lots from those moments.

 

[theboxers]

I know what you are all going through. I got on the sofa last night, watched 2 episodes of Spiral, ate a nice meat ball pasta and then struggled, i mean really struggled, to get through a tub of Green and Blacks chocolate ice cream . I am going to try and finish it tonight...

Careful Bob you'll end up like me

 

[LBHIFI]

I totally know what you mean about the boredom. Cycling in the real world will always be king for me!

Regarding diet, I’d look at what I was eating before the session. Carbs aren’t the enemy! They give us the fuel we burn during training. But I’m sure you know that. Protein obviously for recovery and sustaining / growing muscle. Everything in moderation and of course you work out what you need personally because everyone is a little different.

My personal feeling is never quit anything unless you really have to. I use this philosophy for most things in life. On trainerroad they suggest it’s better to lower the intensity of a session rather than quit. I haven’t done it yet but I would before stopping. I just think it’s better to carry on and try and improve for next time.
Sometimes if you put in a really good session where you feel physically great and feel like you’ve made big progress. So it’s hard to take when you have a bad session next time. But I just tell myself that work, sleep, day of the week and lots of other things need to be factored in so don’t let it get you too self critical. It’s better to look at the bigger picture.

I struggle badly with the boredom on traineroad sessions sometimes to be honest, so I can fully understand that. Music and podcasts help me a little.

This is just little things I’ve picked up and may be different for you so I’m not claiming to be an expert!

I really don't want to quit until it is absolutely necessary. Believe me, I had my share of pain before quitting. In this case I focus on reaching the daily training score planed, so not quitting entirely.

To be honest I disagree but it’s horses for courses I think it’s diffenrent strokes for different folks maybe Andy. I think there’s something to be gained from every session. Even if it’s a lesson in pushing yourself when not in great form. If I can’t hit targets I’d rather potentially adjust my training in the following days to allow for recovery rather than quit a session. Some of the sessions I’ve done I’ve gotten stronger as the sessions gone on though I might feel like I’m struggling at the start. And I’ve learnt lots from those moments.

Yeah I've been there done that. I also learned a few things from the various workouts. A real eye-opener was a low cadence workout at a relatively high power. I really didn't think my tiny legs were up for that, but I managed it and learned I could keep my heart rate very low this way.

 

[Breedon]

I "failed" the TR workout Leconte. It was 4 blocks of 2 x 10 mins at 95-98% of Ftp with 4 30 second bursts at 110% (1 min between the 10 min blocks and 5 mins between the 2 x 10 if that makes sense).

I've got something similar in the next block, plucking up the courage to do a TrainerRoad session been off the bike for a bout 2 weeks due to work

 

[LBHIFI]

I "failed" the TR workout Leconte. It was 4 blocks of 2 x 10 mins at 95-98% of Ftp with 4 30 second bursts at 110% (1 min between the 10 min blocks and 5 mins between the 2 x 10 if that makes sense).

That does sound brutal.

 

[Whorty]

I got on the sofa last night, watched 2 episodes of Sex in the City and got through a tub of Green and Blacks chocolate ice cream .

FTFY

 

[<Tommy>]

I really don't want to quit until it is absolutely necessary. Believe me, I had my share of pain before quitting. In this case I focus on reaching the daily training score planed, so not quitting entirely.


Yeah I've been there done that. I also learned a few things from the various workouts. A real eye-opener was a low cadence workout at a relatively high power. I really didn't think my tiny legs were up for that, but I managed it and learned I could keep my heart rate very low this way.

Yeah I don’t mean it in the way people say “don’t be a quitter!” Etc etc in some over macho way. Sometimes it’s impossible to continue and you have to stop. But I would rather try to reduce the intensity first.

I have a clip of lance Armstrong that really makes me laugh. Hopefully the link works.


View: https://www.facebook.com/OfficialCyclingPorn/videos/1948938631799724/

 

[bobinski]

FTFY

Ha! I think that says more about you Carl

 

[LBHIFI]

Yeah I don’t mean it in the way people say “don’t be a quitter!” Etc etc in some over macho way. Sometimes it’s impossible to continue and you have to stop. But I would rather try to reduce the intensity first.

I think that could be up for debate. What is best, 2 workouts at optimal level or one workout with only half of it at optimal level?
For me focusing on short races at max power, I would say the first. But for someone focusing on longer races, maybe the latter ?

 

[<Tommy>]

I think that could be up for debate. What is best, 2 workouts at optimal level or one workout with only half of it at optimal level?
For me focusing on short races at max power, I would say the first. But for someone focusing on longer races, maybe the latter ?

Yeah it’s a tough one Lars. I agree the more you can do at optimal level the better. But say you do a workout on day 1 and hit your targets. Day 2, you think you can’t do the workout at max intensity. What do you do then? I say I will try reducing intensity of that session to finish it. You say you stop and do the second half later that day. So I suppose we can say that we have both reduced intensity, but in different ways?

It is interesting to me. I’m obviously no expert. But my training is becoming more focussed and I’m very interested in how other people approach things and their reasons why. I think maybe the reason I do things the way I do is because my mind is probably more determined than my body most days!