FNRttC FNRttC to Shoreham, April 19 2024. Ride report

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hatler

Guru
Yes, I know there was discussion already…in the thread for the 2021 edition. But (IMHO) better to have a new thread.

…and we're back. The first FNR of 2024, and a return to Shoreham for the first time since that 2021 ride. Jim took the ride leader role on, and did a fine job. This was less a ride of two halves, more one of three acts. Act One: Seamless, flowing, like clockwork. Act Two: That Bit Of The Film Where Our Heroes Have Issues to Deal With. Act Three: It all turns out OK in the end. Very well indeed, in fact.

But first, back to the beginning of my evening, as so often, the end of my working…well, shift, given it was 2130. Usual (since 2015) seven and a half minutes to get self bike and gear out the door and onto the rail service of choice (the bail-out option is half an hour later, and a slower service, though still in plenty of time for the pre-ride formalities). I roll up to the platform as the train pulls in, bike in space 2137, job done. Usual mobile changing room, eating, phone charging routine ensues. Into Waterloo on time (2245) and fill up the bottles- once I discovered the ground floor bottle filling point is still out of action on account of the ongoing works on the toilets. Upstairs to the mezzanine alternative, and then round to the NT at eleven. Where I am the first. But I didn't have long to wait before the rest of the peloton made its way there. About forty had registered, but we were down to 35 or so in the end. Some regulars were absent through illness or Other Things, some had clearly decided the weather forecast didn't suit them, but half a dozen or so newcomers weren't put off, and seemed to enjoy themselves, though it proved a bit eventful for one.

Forecast was that it would be A Bit Parky, down to three or four degrees (not including wind chill), but dry, and with a strong wind (northerly, so helpful- not so later on, for me at least). Forecast was accurate. So, winter clothing it was. Bib tights, the Fridays long-sleeve jersey, Alpkit gloves, the trusty Uniqlo thermal base layer, skull cap, the Shimano boots, and (in reserve for now) a second buff and jumper, plus the Sealskinz socks. That proved comfortably warm enough for the first part of the ride, aided by our steady turn of speed.

First part of the route south was pretty much stock- round past the Old Vic, Kennington, Stockwell, Tooting, Mitcham. From there, Hackbridge and Carshalton rather than Wallington and Coulsdon, on to Chipstead (and the Proper Dark). Swinging east of Reigate & Redhill, and we were on to the halfway-home stretch, on target to reach the Burstow scout hut not long after three. At about 2.45, it all went a bit pear-shaped. The total lack of mechanicals- not even a puncture so far, I think- abruptly ended with not one but two rear derailleur breakages. Those tend to be ride-ending, at best 'knock up something that'll get you riding to a train home'. In this case, it would sadly prove to be the former. As so often in the past, the nice warm well-lit halfway was so near yet so far. The tail end was some distance back from the rest of the ride, so Jim took the decision to lead the rest of us on. Bob was designated virtual tail-ender, the very tail end would follow on their own. At the bottom of Rookery Hill, I took the last turn before the final stretch on Redehall Road. And waited. And waited. And waited. A couple of newcomers (who seemed to be grinning all night!) remarked they'd heard a nightingale as they passed. Apart from a couple of cars, one other rider (I think), I was alone for what seemed like a Very Long Time, to the extent I was imagining non-existant lights in the distance. The extremities were definitely feeling the cold.. after about 35 minutes- which definitely seemed longer- Bob appeared and we made our way the last couple of miles to the scout hut. Phew!

It was very much a relief to warm up a bit and get food. Quite a bit of food, you won't be surprised to read. Eventually, we were joined by the tail end. Max of the scout group very helpfully recovered the mechanical casualties. @matticus was one of them- I'll let him discuss that, but it was a snapped pin in the derailleur if I remember correctly. As for the other one…one of our newcomers, a charming guy who'd done something very odd to his bike. A Boardman, which came with a Shimano Sora group, cable mechanical disc brakes. For some reason he'd then fitted a Sensah 12-speed groupset, with bar end shifters (the Shimano STIs remained in place). For those of you scratching your heads, yes, me too. If Simon L saw that, the legendary Eyebrow of Disapproval would have been deployed. Greg's verdict was his usual direct one. For those unaware, Sensah are a Chinese manufacturer getting some positive press as a cheaper alternative to the big groupset manufacturers. Judging by this one, their QA is a bit lacking. RD no worky, a spring broken I think. Tim H, always a handy person in such situations, had had a go in the field but was unable to sort it. He was more confident of getting it rideable in an impromptu well-lit workshop, but his efforts proved in vain, even a single-speed option was out of reach. So, trains for those two it would be.

At five, on we went. If extra layers didn't help warm us up, Turners Hill certainly did. From there, we swung southwest through Handcross to Lower Beeding, then south through Partridge Green (rolling past the industrial estate that's home to the Hunt wheels I was riding on), Ashurst and Steyning. There were no big climbs after Turners but plenty of short steep ones, I got caught out a couple of times and ended up walking.

Just before the A27 crossing, Steve was deputised to lead a fast group onwards to breakfast. I think the bulk of the ride ended up joining it, including me (I might just know the way!!!). So, having negotiated the hideously complicated crossing of the roadworks on the A27, a very pleasant off-road path ended up at the mini-roundabout by the Ropetackle arts centre (where I saw another rider with Kinesis titanium). Then it was the two easy miles on the A259 to breakfast, the new(ish-2021) Port Kitchen at Shoreham port (actually in Portslade, pedants). Wow. A serious contender for Best FNR Breakfast venue. Fabulous location- views of the port without being on the wrong side of the locks from the A259, plus plenty of bike racks. Efficient friendly service. And the food…my word. Went for the big breakfast. It tasted as good as looked...
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Suitably refuelled, I bade my farewells to the stragglers (and a lapsed Friday who happened to be there) and made my way west, on a see-how-it-goes basis, at 9.15. How it went was not well. The wind was now a crosswind, but it blew the temperature down and hindered the speed. It took 45 minutes to get to Worthing (roadworks with a slow set of lights didn't help) and I decided the train was the best option, riding all the way home was going to be nothing but a slog. Proceeded to the station, and was on the platform at 10.15 for the 1025 to Portsmouth Harbour, just under seventy miles done. Off at Fratton, a further slog in a headwind home, and a nap at noon. Thanks Jim and everyone else.
Whistable? Need you ask? :smile:

"A couple of newcomers (who seemed to be grinning all night!) remarked they'd heard a nightingale as they passed."

I can confirm the presence of a nightingale before the half-way stop.

Haven't heard one of those for a while. Wonderful.
 

Landsurfer

Veteran
Friday night ride to the coast …. It’s 65 miles away !!! 130 miles round trip. ,!!
Thats not a a trip to the coast …. That’s an adventure …. Oh yea … sounds like fun …
 

ianrauk

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@hatler Nice to see you're making the rides again dear chap.
I'll be doing a couple later in the year so hoping you will be on at least one of those too. It's been a long time.

I remember on one of the Whitstable rides we heard the lovely song of a Nightingale on the Gravesend canal path.
 
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hatler

Guru
@hatler Nice to see you're making the rides again dear chap.
I'll be doing a couple later in the year so hoping you will be on at least one of those too. It's been a long time.

I remember on one of the Whitstable rides we heard the lovely song of a Nightingale on the Gravesend canal path.

Thank you. Likewise. And yes, the Whitstable nightingale.
It feels like I've popped my FNRttC cherry for a second time.
Definitely aiming to be back again this year, but the holiday calendar is fuller than it's ever been (for a variety of reasons).
With a bit of luck I might even persaude mini-hatler to join us once his exams are over.
(But he'll rip all our legs off.)
 
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I was waymarking at the crossing of the Nutfield Road just beyond where the two derailleur failures happened. I've had longer waymarking duties, but probably none as cold as that one. I was wearing a Fridays summer s/s, a yacf winterweight l/s and my Fridays soft shell on top. It wasn't enough. RideWithGPS has me there for 37 minutes. It felt a lot longer than that. When I was released I tore off to warm up but when I got to the right turn onto Prince of Wales Road I took pity on the waymarker there (Yorkshire accent (?) wearing red) and stopped to chat for 20 minutes. I headed back to check on progress and was given the green light by Greg for both of us to head to the scout hut. Phew.

37 minutes eh? Hmmm .. soz ... !!! This event has been gnawing at me ever since. I have immense gratitude to the 5 who stood in the cold trying to help, and those of you (who I now realise) stood in the cold on Waymarking duty! I've also been trying to estimate the appropriate level of guilt. I didn't think my mech failure was down to bad maintenance, but these things usually are, so I've done some research. Sadly hindered by slinging the treacherous component in the Scout Hut bin :biggrin:

I've now reached the end of my own tech/research abilities. The Post Mortem Results (such as they are):

This video illustrates the situation quite well*


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYgRJOg4e5w

He's pulling apart a 9sp Sora Derailleur to restore its springiness - I believe mine came apart in the same way, but unplanned and while pedalling through the dark up a gentle (but myseriously totally soaked) climb. This screenshot shows more-or-less what we saw once we had enough light in the right place:

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At about ~2:10 he removes the key C-clip which allow you to pull it apart in this way. SOMEHOW mine pulled itself apart. I PRESUME that the c-clip either broke, or wiggled itself off over the few thousand miles that we have done together.
So if we'd known all this, AND the C-clip was still in the body (not on the wet road), AND we'd had immense patience and dexterity ... it's POSSIBLE that we could have fettled the thing back together. But really, it wouldn't have been worth the time, and I'm happy I got on a train and didn't delay 30 people by ANOTHER hour on their way to the seaside! It's only a £25 part


*sadly you have to tolerate the "So now I'm just gonna go ahead and ... " guy, but on this one he's a bit more concise than usual, so it's fairly bearable.
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
That would be foolish, as riding in a group without mudguards when its raining, or roads may contain mud or water, is about as antisocial as it gets.

If you want to take the matter further I'm afraid you'll need a time machine and go back about 12 years to discuss it with the then Fridays management. ;)
 

Ming the Merciless

There is no mercy
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37 minutes eh? Hmmm .. soz ... !!! This event has been gnawing at me ever since. I have immense gratitude to the 5 who stood in the cold trying to help, and those of you (who I now realise) stood in the cold on Waymarking duty! I've also been trying to estimate the appropriate level of guilt. I didn't think my mech failure was down to bad maintenance, but these things usually are, so I've done some research. Sadly hindered by slinging the treacherous component in the Scout Hut bin :biggrin:

I've now reached the end of my own tech/research abilities. The Post Mortem Results (such as they are):

This video illustrates the situation quite well*


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYgRJOg4e5w

He's pulling apart a 9sp Sora Derailleur to restore its springiness - I believe mine came apart in the same way, but unplanned and while pedalling through the dark up a gentle (but myseriously totally soaked) climb. This screenshot shows more-or-less what we saw once we had enough light in the right place:

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At about ~2:10 he removes the key C-clip which allow you to pull it apart in this way. SOMEHOW mine pulled itself apart. I PRESUME that the c-clip either broke, or wiggled itself off over the few thousand miles that we have done together.
So if we'd known all this, AND the C-clip was still in the body (not on the wet road), AND we'd had immense patience and dexterity ... it's POSSIBLE that we could have fettled the thing back together. But really, it wouldn't have been worth the time, and I'm happy I got on a train and didn't delay 30 people by ANOTHER hour on their way to the seaside! It's only a £25 part


*sadly you have to tolerate the "So now I'm just gonna go ahead and ... " guy, but on this one he's a bit more concise than usual, so it's fairly bearable.


Exploded diagram if it helps. The c-clip is hidden between the derailleur and the hanger as that’s the bolt that attaches it to the bike. Thus you’re not going to know unless you regularly take the derailleur off to inspect.

A few years back the c clip had come off the bolt that secured my front disc pads. I was unaware this had happened. During a 300km audax the bolt pinged into the darkness together with one of the front disc pads. I found one pad and the spring but nothing further. I had to retire and rode carefully to nearest station with only one working brake. After that I’ve used split pins to secure disc brake pads as I consider them unlikely to suffer the same fate.

https://dassets.shimano.com/content/dam/global/cg1SHICCycling/final/ev/ev/EV-RD-R3000-3973.pdf
 

Ming the Merciless

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If you want to take the matter further I'm afraid you'll need a time machine and go back about 12 years to discuss it with the then Fridays management. ;)

Ha, my Time Machine might need some fresh grease, haven’t used it since 5,617.

I think we all know there are individuals who seem to suffer an “incident” virtually every group outing they attend. Then those of us who look after our bikes and incidents are few and far between.
 

Landsurfer

Veteran
I ride at all times without mudguards .. in late 1982 , having returned unscathed from the Falklands War months earlier … Riding through the hills above St. Andrew’s, fixed wheel , on snow … I hit a bump .. large one .. but a bump …
My Bluemels front mudguard shattered and I woke up in the military hospital in Edinburgh with a serious concussion, 36 hours later …..
The Doctor, a fellow RAFCC member, said I was the 3rd cyclist that year that had been taken out by mudguards ….
If your back wheel is spraying me with crud … I’ll take it … Rather than be visiting you in A&E … or worse …
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
Exploded diagram if it helps. The c-clip is hidden between the derailleur and the hanger as that’s the bolt that attaches it to the bike. Thus you’re not going to know unless you regularly take the derailleur off to inspect.

A few years back the c clip had come off the bolt that secured my front disc pads. I was unaware this had happened. During a 300km audax the bolt pinged into the darkness together with one of the front disc pads. I found one pad and the spring but nothing further. I had to retire and rode carefully to nearest station with only one working brake. After that I’ve used split pins to secure disc brake pads as I consider them unlikely to suffer the same fate.

https://dassets.shimano.com/content/dam/global/cg1SHICCycling/final/ev/ev/EV-RD-R3000-3973.pdf

Interesting collision with the lawn-mowing thread. A wheel fell off my lawnmower last autumn. It was secured in place by a C clip. I measured it and purchased a replacement and secured it back in place and felt very good about myself and my great mechanical skills.

First outing this year the wheel fell off again. I was not terribly surprised.
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
I ride at all times without mudguards .. in late 1982 , having returned unscathed from the Falklands War months earlier … Riding through the hills above St. Andrew’s, fixed wheel , on snow … I hit a bump .. large one .. but a bump …
My Bluemels front mudguard shattered and I woke up in the military hospital in Edinburgh with a serious concussion, 36 hours later …..
The Doctor, a fellow RAFCC member, said I was the 3rd cyclist that year that had been taken out by mudguards ….
If your back wheel is spraying me with crud … I’ll take it … Rather than be visiting you in A&E … or worse …

I've read that front mudguard jams can be lethal as they could lock up the front wheel. It's never happened to me - I've just read about it. That's why most modern front mudguards have QR safety clips.
 
Exploded diagram if it helps. The c-clip is hidden between the derailleur and the hanger as that’s the bolt that attaches it to the bike. Thus you’re not going to know unless you regularly take the derailleur off to inspect.

https://dassets.shimano.com/content/dam/global/cg1SHICCycling/final/ev/ev/EV-RD-R3000-3973.pdf

No, I think that's a different c-clip (on a different bolt). I found the same exploded drawing, and I think it over-simplifies the mechanism (presumably because they don't expect people to take the other bit apart?).
Watch the video at 2:10, hopefully you'll get the idea! The c-clip is very much hidden away, even with the der' off the bike.

[Ming wrote:] A few years back the c clip had come off the bolt that secured my front disc pads. I was unaware this had happened. During a 300km audax the bolt pinged into the darkness together with one of the front disc pads. I found one pad and the spring but nothing further. I had to retire and rode carefully to nearest station with only one working brake. After that I’ve used split pins to secure disc brake pads as I consider them unlikely to suffer the same fate.
I don't have a disk brake.
;- )
 

T4tomo

Legendary Member
I've read that front mudguard jams can be lethal as they could lock up the front wheel. It's never happened to me - I've just read about it. That's why most modern front mudguards have QR safety clips.

Correct. On my winter bike / gravel bike, I usually just ride with a rear mudguard, if is wet I have winter boots on anyway, so the front mudguard isn't doing much, its disc brake and 1X so no calipers or FD to protect. and not having a front mudguard makes it easier if stick the bikes in the back of the car - can just drop the front wheel out.
 
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