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[bonj2]

Not sure about the 09 stuff but 08 Centaur is lighter than 08 Rival. Also, does SRAM give you multiple upshifts like Campag?

To be honest I'm not evangelical about the whole Shimano/Campag/SRAM thing. I slightly prefer the smaller hoods of Campag and SRAM and I like their aesthetics too. Although it doesn't matter much in practice it's also nice to have brake lever that moves in only one plane.

For the absolute best £/weight savings SRAM wins but it wasn't an option and I think Campag may have better front shifting anyway. The only thing that bugs me a little with Campag is the louder freehub but I'm kind of used to it now. It does mean I don't need a bell as I just have to stop pedalling for people to hear me coming.

Matthew

I've always thought of campag to be a bit more like alfa romeo - good aesthetics, but not that reliable. I've always thought it is campag that tries to be uncooperative and to make their hubs different, rather than the other way round. I also lay the charge of making the campag mech incompatible with a shimano cassette with campag, because there's no reason why a mech and cassette can't be compatible with each other no matter what the make.

SRAM, now that really is good. definitely better than shimano. You say you think campag may have better front shifting - what, than sram? i can't imagine how it could get much better...

multiple upshifts, you just click it several times in quick succession, it's very fast. Don't see how it could be much faster short of reading your mind...

But to be honest I can't help regarding the shifting with the thumb from the drops as inferior - if the thumb isn't on the bars, you can't apply outward force to that bar.
If you only had one hand on the bars, you would find it difficult shifting with that hand, as you are moving the thumb away from its bar-stabilising position. With moving a finger away, you have got three more...

I'm an mtber so i regard a loud freehub as a sign of quality, as hope is a staple quality brand for mtb components and they make loud freehubs.

 

[peanut]

when on the drops and sprinting, if you need to change down you use your thumb, which is alot safer and more stable than using 1 or 2 fingers,

you couldn't change gear in an eyeballs out sprint because the transmission is too heavily loaded. I should think if you tried you would either miss-shift or at least lose a vital second or two.

not sure I buy that argument at all Mr marty martin

 

[MajorMantra]

very nice bike . Pity about the groupset though

I've counted the cassette sprockets three times and I can only see 10 not 11 . tell me i'm not seeing things ?

What camera do you take out with you on the bike ? I've just bought a compact 10Mp Fuji J150 which is great for out and about snaps but can't see a thing on the LCD in sunlight.

You only see 10 because there are only 10! My bike has 10 speed Centaur. The Athena, Chorus, Record and Super Record groups have 11 speeds.

I used a Pentax DSLR (my now somewhat elderly *ist DL) with a 50mm prime lens and an 18-55mm zoom. You won't be able to restrict the depth of field to nearly the same degree with a point and shoot but with careful attention to white balance, exposure and focus you can still get respectable results. The screen issue is a common problem but for pics like the ones above you don't want to be photographing in direct sunlight anyway as the light is too harsh and high contrast. They were taken in the shade.

I've always thought of campag to be a bit more like alfa romeo - good aesthetics, but not that reliable. I've always thought it is campag that tries to be uncooperative and to make their hubs different, rather than the other way round. I also lay the charge of making the campag mech incompatible with a shimano cassette with campag, because there's no reason why a mech and cassette can't be compatible with each other no matter what the make.

SRAM, now that really is good. definitely better than shimano. You say you think campag may have better front shifting - what, than sram? i can't imagine how it could get much better...

multiple upshifts, you just click it several times in quick succession, it's very fast. Don't see how it could be much faster short of reading your mind...

But to be honest I can't help regarding the shifting with the thumb from the drops as inferior - if the thumb isn't on the bars, you can't apply outward force to that bar.
If you only had one hand on the bars, you would find it difficult shifting with that hand, as you are moving the thumb away from its bar-stabilising position. With moving a finger away, you have got three more...

I'm an mtber so i regard a loud freehub as a sign of quality, as hope is a staple quality brand for mtb components and they make loud freehubs.

The comment about front shifting with SRAM was based on anecdotal stuff I've read and I think they may have fixed the issue in question. Until 09 I don't think SRAM (or at least Rival) had front mech trim.

Personally I have no issue with gripping the bars and quickly shifting with my thumb but everyone's different. Regarding one-handed shifting - it's fine. In fact as far as I can recall from the last time I did it, I can sit up in my saddle, take BOTH hands off the bars, have a drink and then upshift on the cassette by bumping my water bottle on the thumb lever.

Matthew

 

[bonj2]

alot of the teams dont get that good deals for using campag stuff, its just personal prefrence, like all the teams using shimano have shimano stickers everywhere, you dont usualy see this from teams using campag

Absolute bullshit.

when on the drops and sprinting, if you need to change down you use your thumb, which is alot safer and more stable than using 1 or 2 fingers, as your thumb works entirely on it's own, where your fingers often make another finger move

Absolute bullshit.

if you no what i mean

No one does.

next time your on your bike on the drops, think about what your thumbs doing, as your thumb is usualy just sitting there, not gripping at all...

thats why campag is better, also the fact that all campag cabling gets routed probaly, not just hanging out everywhere like shimano

Absolute bullshit.

 

[mr-marty-martin]

but your not actualy gripping with your thumbs... :s

and 4 fingers is safer and gives more control than 2 fingers and one thumb...

 

[MajorMantra]

I liked this thread better when it consisted entirely of people drooling over my bike.

Matthew

 

[mr-marty-martin]

i ahve the same bike and i love it

apart from the fact everyones i see in pics has carbon levers and mine came with alloy ones !!!!

 

[bonj2]

I liked this thread better when it consisted entirely of people drooling over my bike.

Matthew

it is a nice bike but you do need to lose the ginormous saddlebag.
this one would be better
http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=12588&src=froogle

but we haven't quite cleeared up this issue yet - surely when you're on the hoods, your whole hand is in front of where the 'upshift tab' is, so you have to do contortions then in order to change up, even if you can do so ok from the drops?

Where it looks like it is positioned from your pics, it would be right under the heel of my hand when i'm on the hoods.

 

[mr-marty-martin]

all you do is move your thumb back for a sencond... natural when your used to it...

the main factor which turns me off shimano is the hoods...there horrible...

although the new electric hoods are smaller like campag and alot better than the usual shimano hoods...

 

[MajorMantra]

it is a nice bike but you do need to lose the ginormous saddlebag.
this one would be better
http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=12588&src=froogle

Hmmm, that's rather neat. It doesn't look like it has any spare space though - I like to carry a multitool and chain tool as well.

but we haven't quite cleeared up this issue yet - surely when you're on the hoods, your whole hand is in front of where the 'upshift tab' is, so you have to do contortions then in order to change up, even if you can do so ok from the drops?

Where it looks like it is positioned from your pics, it would be right under the heel of my hand when i'm on the hoods.

It's perfectly true that you do need to move your hand slightly to use the thumb lever from the hoods but the movement is quite small. I wouldn't dismiss it until you've tried it as in practice it's really not a big deal.

Matthew

 

[Chrisz]

You could get the new Athena for not much more than Centaur. Not sure it's worth it though - everything becomes more expensive when you go to 11.

Matthew

I'm stuck on Record - have been for a fair while now

 

[peanut]

You only see 10 because there are only 10! My bike has 10 speed Centaur. The Athena, Chorus, Record and Super Record groups have 11 speeds.

I used a Pentax DSLR (my now somewhat elderly *ist DL) with a 50mm prime lens and an 18-55mm zoom. You won't be able to restrict the depth of field to nearly the same degree with a point and shoot but with careful attention to white balance, exposure and focus you can still get respectable results. The screen issue is a common problem but for pics like the ones above you don't want to be photographing in direct sunlight anyway as the light is too harsh and high contrast. They were taken in the shade.

thanks for the lesson in taking a picture matt

 

[bonj2]

It's perfectly true that you do need to move your hand slightly to use the thumb lever from the hoods but the movement is quite small. I wouldn't dismiss it until you've tried it as in practice it's really not a big deal.

Matthew

... so therefore it's worse.
you don't have to do that with shimano and sram.
it may be something that you can put up with once you're used to it, but it IS worse - as the shifter isn't in the right place for you to shift without moving your hand.
But if you like it fair enough.

 

[Sittingduck]

Bonj

Are you seriously saying that Campag is worse than Sora?

 

[mr-marty-martin]

yes but it means the shifter actualy fits your hands, unlike shimano

as there shifters go out an extra 2 or so cm.s to achieve this...

thats why you see alot of riders turning them right up when using shimano...