2015 Rugby World Cup **Potential spoilers**

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GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
Thing is, a precedent was set on Friday night. Brave decision if you ask me. I think the protocol is that once he has awarded the try, it stands unless one of the touch judges or the TMO disputes it BEFORE the conversion is taken. You could argue that the replay is in effect a matter being brought to his attention, and once Peyper had seen it integrity clicked in. You can't blame him I don't think. However, now that he has done that, there was no option for Owens a day later when replays showed the player had lost control of the ball.

I hope it won't get to League standards where some refs (Silverwood for example) seem to refer absolutely every try to the TMO, often going back several phases looking for offsides that he should have spotted during play.

Dreadful precedent...

So... at a stadium in the future... a biased or incompetent (can you hear me ITV?) home-side national broadcaster decides NOT to show the crowd the replay with the knock-on, missed by the team of four, until after the conversion and restart... I can see it happening, the way the TV game is going.

Neither ref nor assistant were in a place to see the grounding as they were caught out be th genius feet and blinding pace of the break. So why award the try if you are not CERTAIN. Short peep, vogue for a bit, go upstairs and make it someone else's monkey - as per the protocols.

And, imo, the PT to England (obstruction - clearly truck and trailer) and YC to Fiji where so obviously wrong as to be in the WTF? category of shouting at the telly...
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
Pacing themselves... no need to go all out this early in the competition.
Indeed. As they always do. No point breaking a sweat if you don't need to.
 
Location
Midlands
Dreadful precedent...

So... at a stadium in the future... a biased or incompetent (can you hear me ITV?) home-side national broadcaster decides NOT to show the crowd the replay with the knock-on, missed by the team of four, until after the conversion and restart... I can see it happening, the way the TV game is going.

Neither ref nor assistant were in a place to see the grounding as they were caught out be th genius feet and blinding pace of the break. So why award the try if you are not CERTAIN. Short peep, vogue for a bit, go upstairs and make it someone else's monkey - as per the protocols.

It was cock up rather than conspiracy - The ref rather than the system - I wasnt impressed by the ref - Im not an expert on the word and letter of the laws of Rugby - (my little RFU rule book issued to me at school in 1965 is a bit out of date) so I dont know what the rules say about awarding tries in the presence of a TMO - when does it become definitive? - and yes in view of the fact that a try is a important event - the TMO and his Hawkeye mate should be feverishly rewinding and reviewing before the t's are crossed

And, imo, the PT to England (obstruction - clearly truck and trailer) and YC to Fiji where so obviously wrong as to be in the WTF? category of shouting at the telly...

Yup - but there were lots of other decisions in that match where the players on both sides didnt seem to understand the why and what

As an aside what exactly is so terrible about the coverage - its pictures - you dont have to listen to a lot the crap they spout
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
It was cock up rather than conspiracy - The ref rather than the system - I wasnt impressed by the ref - Im not an expert on the word and letter of the laws of Rugby - (my little RFU rule book issued to me at school in 1965 is a bit out of date) so I dont know what the rules say about awarding tries in the presence of a TMO - when does it become definitive? - and yes in view of the fact that a try is a important event - the TMO and his Hawkeye mate should be feverishly rewinding and reviewing before the t's are crossed

FYI the current good book here says...

6.A.7 Referee consulting with others
(a) The referee may consult with assistant referees about matters relating to their duties, the Law relating to foul play or timekeeping and may request assistance related to other aspects of the referee’s duties including the adjudication of offside. video.png

LAW AMENDMENT TRIAL

(b) A match organiser may appoint an official known as a Television Match Official (TMO) who uses technological devices to clarify situations relating to;
(I) When there is doubt as to whether a ball has been grounded in in-goal for a score or a touchdown.
(ii) Where there is doubt as to whether a kick at goal has been successful.
(iii) Where there is doubt as to whether players were in touch or touch in goal before grounding the ball in in-goal or the ball has been made dead.
(iv) Where match officials believe an offence or infringement may have occurred in the field of play leading to a try or preventing a try.
(v) Reviewing situations where match officials believe foul play may have occurred.
(vi) Clarifying sanctions required for acts of foul play.

(c) Any of the match officials including the TMO may recommend a review by the TMO. The reviews will take place in accordance with the TMO protocol in place at the time which will be available at laws.worldrugby.org.
 
Are the video refs being used the same as in League?

In League, the video ref used to have the ability to make the decision. This year it changed.

The ref MUST award either a try, or no-try on the field, and ask the video ref, to look at a certain incident. The ref can overturn the onfield decision, ONLY if the evidence is 100% against the ref. If, the video ref isn't conclusive, the on-field ref's decision stands.
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
Are the video refs being used the same as in League?.
No.

nor are the being used in the same way as in the cricket ;)
 

subaqua

What’s the point
Location
Leytonstone
A rare and urban skill cobblers, a shoe maker?
Aperitif a small drink before a meal or too much before bedtime,, how does Bollocks sound.

just to be pedantic about what a cobbler is

a cobbler is a shoe mender not a shoe maker.


it can also be a iced drink made with sherry - so similar to AN aperitif, but not this aperitif.


and had Wales been on form I would have expected a damn sight more than 50 to have been put past the Uruguayans. as it was it was as I have posted earlier- a dirge of a performance.
 

nickyboy

Norven Mankey
just to be pedantic about what a cobbler is

a cobbler is a shoe mender not a shoe maker.


it can also be a iced drink made with sherry - so similar to AN aperitif, but not this aperitif.


and had Wales been on form I would have expected a damn sight more than 50 to have been put past the Uruguayans. as it was it was as I have posted earlier- a dirge of a performance.

It's also one of these

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Which I doubt very much tastes like shoe leather but may go nicely with a sherry-based aperitif
 

subaqua

What’s the point
Location
Leytonstone
I beg to differ. It was a knock on, at 5:41 the ball left his hand before the plane of goal line but lands on the goal line before he regains possession. QED thrown forward. But it took me about 30 reviews of the clip in slo-mo goes to accept that.

i have also done it frame by frame and i can't see it go forward . its done now and would it have changed the outcome ? who knows. i am looking forward to scotland v japan now and am torn on where to stick the tenner ! No it wont go there !!
 
Well, as an impartial observer assisted by cameras, I am siding with Greg. The only thing on the guy's mind was to dab that ball on or behind the line. He was not in control of the ball as touchdown was attempted. I'm sure that, in the referees' opinions, he was not trying to do a quick bounce behind himself before completing said touchdown. No try. Anyone who drops the ball in "the act of scoring" does not want to do that - entertainment or no.
 
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