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Linford

Guest
Why you wish to be publicly wrong about everything is something of a mystery.

It is tongue in cheek, but your arguments do tend to read that way. The family thing can and does present big obstacles to people wanting to live the transient existence you appear to trump
 

snorri

Legendary Member
Quoting Yellow Tim....."Furthermore, no one is forced to live next to a busy road or motorway, that's their choice if they do.
Moving house is not an option as my last few jobs have all been fixed term contract, why would anyone go through all the upheaval and expense of moving for another few months of work."

I'm having difficulty following your line of argument here. You don't think the people who find themselves living beside a busy road/motorway may also have uncertainty in their employment?
 
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User482

Guest
Now you're just being mean :sad:

Any intelligent person who was spending ~80GBP per week on fuel and P&R would investigate whether there was a better way of arranging their transport and finances.


Indeed. You could move house or change jobs.
 
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User482

Guest
It is tongue in cheek, but your arguments do tend to read that way. The family thing can and does present big obstacles to people wanting to live the transient existence you appear to trump

I refer you to the answer I gave a few moments ago.
 

Linford

Guest
Indeed. You could move house or change jobs.

What if you can't move to be within in commuting distance by cycle?
What if your skillsets only enable you to earn a decent wage by travelling to a place which isn't practicle by cycle ?
 
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User482

Guest
What if you can't move to be within in commuting distance by cycle?
What if your skillsets only enable you to earn a decent wage by travelling to a place which isn't practicle by cycle ?

It's not "can't", it's "won't". People often have understandable reasons, but let's not pretend that it's anything other than a choice for the vast majority. As theclaud sagely notes, it's those who don't have a car who are most restricted with regard to housing and employment choices.
 

Smurfy

Naturist Smurf
Quoting Yellow Tim....."Furthermore, no one is forced to live next to a busy road or motorway, that's their choice if they do.
Moving house is not an option as my last few jobs have all been fixed term contract, why would anyone go through all the upheaval and expense of moving for another few months of work."

I'm having difficulty following your line of argument here. You don't think the people who find themselves living beside a busy road/motorway may also have uncertainty in their employment?

I was being sarcastic when I said people can choose not to live next to a busy road or motorway, but only because there's a bunch of misguided idiots on this thread who insist there's always a good choice, while ignoring the fact you'd have to bankrupt yourself, or put yourselves and others through hell to exercise that choice :wacko:
 

Linford

Guest
Edited phone misbehaving

Broadly speaking - It doesn't,
 

Smurfy

Naturist Smurf
It's not "can't", it's "won't". People often have understandable reasons, but let's not pretend that it's anything other than a choice for the vast majority. As theclaud sagely notes, it's those who don't have a car who are most restricted with regard to housing and employment choices.

Nobody is stopping them from driving. Let them buy a car and drive if they think it gives much better choice. While we're at it 'let them eat cake' too.
 

The Jogger

Legendary Member
Location
Spain
I think it's immaterial whether you have a car or not , if you haven't got a job and a family to support and some toff in Westminster decides to keep petrol prices high for extra revenue, don't kid yourself it's for green issues, then that person and the youngsters of that person will suffer more, and find it harder to get a job locally because they can't afford to travel to get work. So in the words of the claud, that's bollocks User482.
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
I was being sarcastic when I said people can choose not to live next to a busy road or motorway, but only because there's a bunch of misguided idiots on this thread who insist there's always a good choice, while ignoring the fact you'd have to bankrupt yourself, or put yourselves and others through hell to exercise that choice :wacko:
Whilst a teeny tiny minority might bankrupt themselves or put themselves and their families through 'hell', whilst conveniently ignoring the hell that faces those impacted by excessive car use, I can't help but think the vast majority of hard-pressed whingers just wrap themselves in that argument and whinge away.

I'd consider buying something slightly more fuel efficient, but I'm on fixed term contracts, so I can't be sure of being able to pay back the money I'd need to borrow.
So, it appears, you're exercising a judgement based on your own criteria and making a choice. But you do have a choice and it doesn't involve hell or bankruptcy. Fair enough, you are free to choose. But that is not equal to no choice.

Contract hire isn't really my thing, it's better for me to save money by owning a car and doing all my own maintenance.
Ditto
 

Smurfy

Naturist Smurf
So, it appears, you're exercising a judgement based on your own criteria and making a choice. But you do have a choice and it doesn't involve hell or bankruptcy. Fair enough, you are free to choose. But that is not equal to no choice.

I can also 'choose' to go to a country where selling ones organs is still legal, and sell a kidney so that I can buy a more fuel efficient car. Having choice is such a wonderful thing! :whistle:
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
I can also 'choose' to go to a country where selling ones organs is still legal, and sell a kidney so that I can buy a more fuel efficient car. Having choice is such a wonderful thing! :whistle:
So the choice is between driving a less than efficient car with all the taxation it involves and bankruptcy or hell or selling a kidney? Righto. They say there's nothing likes a sensible discussion and this is it; nothing like a sensible discussion.
 

Smurfy

Naturist Smurf
So the choice is between driving a less than efficient car with all the taxation it involves and bankruptcy or hell or selling a kidney? Righto. They say there's nothing likes a sensible discussion and this is it; nothing like a sensible discussion.

I was merely taking the 'there's always a choice' argument to its eventual conclusion (i.e. where someone does something extremely misguided to exercise a so-called 'choice')

The only argument to be had is at what point the choice being made becomes extremely misguided.

My own opinion is that my set of circumstances dictate that the only choice I have is to drive, at which point I effectively pay a tax on my employment, also known as fuel duty and VAT. Others on here will no doubt continue to protest that I have a choice, because it suits their dogmatic attitude and narrow minded outlook.
 
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