6p off diesel and petrol for next 3 months.....

[martint235]

I was merely taking the 'there's always a choice' argument to its eventual conclusion (i.e. where someone does something extremely misguided to exercise a so-called 'choice')

The only argument to be had is at what point the choice being made becomes extremely misguided.

My own opinion is that my set of circumstances dictate that the only choice I have is to drive, at which point I effectively pay a tax on my employment, also known as fuel duty and VAT. Others on here will no doubt continue to protest that I have a choice, because it suits their dogmatic attitude and narrow minded outlook.

Job a pays £15000 a year and costs £1000 per year to get there by train, job b pays £17000 per year and costs £3000 to get to. You have a choice. When you take a job you look at what money will be left to spend and make a choice about whether or not to take that job. Choice.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Or because it is the plain truth.

Now you're just nit-picking.

 

[theclaud]

The way I see my debates/arguments with you is actually testament to the equality which you so demand others to give you.

You argue with me like any other bloke would (Cunobelin, User482, Adrian, Etc), and so you get treated in exactly the same way. I make no concessions to your gender, as if I were to do this, you would accuse me of sexism, so give the stalking, creepy fantasy thing a rest because that would only ever exist in your head....

What are you babbling about, you muppet? I didn't suggest anywhere that you were not similarly irritating, disingenuous, evasive and misinformed in your dealings with members other than me, although there's a matter of degree involved. Not everyone is lucky enough to get whole threads started purely with the intent of winding them up, or their entire backgrounds and lifestyles subject to wildly inaccurate conjecture. I'd say you operate on a sort of hierarchy of bêtes noires, at the top of which is assertive female Marxist cyclists and Polish single mothers shopping in Cheltenham, who get on your tits in every possible way. Cycling is tolerated as long as it's done apologetically, women are alright as long as they conform to your stereotypes, and everyone else is fine as long as they indulge whinging motorists and self-centred parochialists and aren't overly insistent on factual accuracy or coherence.

 

[The Jogger]

A policy to get people out off their cars is admirable, however it needs to be supported by a public transport system that is up to the job. Investment in infrastructure giving people the choice is what is really needed but to limit people with no other option is wrong and immoral.

 

[theclaud]

In the interests of fairness....

Is that for me or Jogger?

 

[The Jogger]

Job a pays £15000 a year and costs £1000 per year to get there by train, job b pays £17000 per year and costs £3000 to get to. You have a choice. When you take a job you look at what money will be left to spend and make a choice about whether or not to take that job. Choice.

What world are you in picking and choosing jobs in the middle of a double dip recession?

Choice take the job or work in pound land for nothing.

 

[Smurfy]

A policy to get people out off their cars is admirable, however it needs to be supported by a public transport system that is up to the job. Investment in infrastructure giving people the choice is what is really needed but to limit people with no other option is wrong and immoral.

The government has little interest in providing decent public transport infrastructure.
1. It would cost huge amounts of money to set up and run
2. If it was ever set up and run properly, they'd have to increase taxes to allow for the revenue lost from fuel duty and VAT
3. Politicians have all their transport (including travel to work) paid for by the tax-payer

I'd say London is one of the few places in the UK that has a decent transport system, but then Londoners do get way more than their fair share of money, so who knows what it would look like if they had to survive on as little money as everyone else. Bunch of parasites!

 

[Smurfy]

What world are you in picking and choosing jobs in the middle of a double dip recession?

Choice take the job or work in pound land for nothing.

Most of the people posting on this thread would change their tune quite rapidly if they were to find themselves sitting in a JobCentre. One of the first things they'd discover is that you're not allowed to turn down a job that is less than 90 minutes travel. If anyone thinks that's trivial, then they should try it for a few months, and find out how much time and energy is left over after doing all the household jobs and spending 3 hours a day travelling.

 

[ASC1951]

I'd say London is one of the few places in the UK that has a decent transport system,

If you mean public transport, ok. If you mean private cars, it must be one of the worst places in the country.

..but then Londoners do get way more than their fair share of money, so who knows what it would look like if they had to survive on as little money as everyone else. Bunch of parasites!

All that article shows is that it receives more per head than other regions. What it doesn't show is that London generates a lot more tax per head than anywhere else i.e. the South East in general and Londoners in particular are subsidising the rest of the country. And long may it continue!

 

[martint235]

What world are you in picking and choosing jobs in the middle of a double dip recession?

Choice take the job or work in pound land for nothing.

Well the jobcentre seems to have jobs. Monster appears full of jobs as does job site. Now whether or not they are jobs you want is again down to choice.

The western world is full of choice.

EDIT: A very quick and dirty search (using Lancashire as a location because I felt if I used London people would accuse me of picking the easy option) revealed 585 jobs in my field of expertise. Whether or not I would want to do them is, you guessed it, down to choice.

 

[srw]

Most of the people posting on this thread would change their tune quite rapidly if they were to find themselves sitting in a JobCentre. One of the first things they'd discover is that you're not allowed to turn down a job that is less than 90 minutes travel. If anyone thinks that's trivial, then they should try it for a few months, and find out how much time and energy is left over after doing all the household jobs and spending 3 hours a day travelling.

Until this year I'd never had a job that was less than 90 minutes travel - by the quickest method. My current job is only less than 90 minutes travel because I've exercised a choice (remember them?) to spend my money in a way which makes a previously intolerable commute tolerable.

 

[400bhp]

Until this year I'd never had a job that was less than 90 minutes travel - by the quickest method. My current job is only less than 90 minutes travel because I've exercised a choice (remember them?) to spend my money in a way which makes a previously intolerable commute tolerable.

Stop using that word

We live in North Korea remember.

 

[400bhp]

choice.

la la la

 

[400bhp]

Choice.

 

[400bhp]

choices.

Gah