6p off diesel and petrol for next 3 months.....

[Smurfy]

which are?

There could be any number of constraints, here's a few examples:
1. Children already settled in local schools
2. Carer responsibilities for an elderly relative (which would mean moving them too)
3. Fixed term contracts for employment
4. Negative equity on a home

Fuel used in the course of travelling to work should be refundable, otherwise it's just a tax on working. This arrangement is good enough for MPs, but not for everyone else!

As someone on here has already remarked, a lot of the responses on here are of the callous, Tory-inspired, "on yer bike" nature.

 

[400bhp]

choice

choice

choice

choice

 

[martint235]

choice

choice

choice

choice

Wot he said^^^^

There is a lot of abdication of responsibility for choice nowadays though. So if it's expensive to get to work by car, it's the Govt fault. If your child is badly behaved, it's society's fault. If we have a load of marauding hoodlums ransacking shops and burning businesses, it's cos we haven't done enough to give them new toys to play with.

 

[Linford]

There could be any number of constraints, here's a few examples:
1. Children already settled in local schools
2. Carer responsibilities for an elderly relative (which would mean moving them too)
3. Fixed term contracts for employment
4. Negative equity on a home

Fuel used in the course of travelling to work should be refundable, otherwise it's just a tax on working. This arrangement is good enough for MPs, but not for everyone else!

As someone on here has already remarked, a lot of the responses on here are of the callous, Tory-inspired, "on yer bike" nature.

Perhaps they are actually closet tories

 

[Linford]

choice

choice

choice

choice

Making choices like these usually cost a substantial amount of money. If people don't have access to that, they they don't really have a choice at all do they.....

 

[400bhp]

They don't have to.

Open your mind-it's cathartic.

 

[Linford]

So you would rather winge about the cost of not making those choices?

I'm fairly lucky that my commute is 'doable' on a cycle, but there are people who have no choices due to the lack of local opportunities.

My kids headmistress commuted from Bristol to Cheltenham every day. The mother of my daughters o/h commutes to Bristol from Painswick as a departental head in a school there. My mate is a computer programmer, works in the ONS in Newport and commutes there every day from Chelt - family and social life is here, and Newport is like the rest of Wales a bit dire by comparison.

We live in a globalised marketplace. Labour is just another commodity to be taxed.

The Gov doesn't really give a toss about saving the planet. They just want the revenue to bankroll their liabilities.

 

[Linford]

Car apologists often seem to use a minority to justify the majority.

For every 3km cycled in the UK,, 97km are driven. Car drivers are hadly in the minority, and pay millions for new cycing superhighways through direct taxation on their mode of travel. Is it no surprise that they get a bit vocal about these things fro time to time......you'll get no apology out of me for stating that Adrian.

 

[theclaud]

Will there ever come a time when you actually read that to which you are replying?

The SMIDSY approach to dialogue?

 

[Linford]

That aside, I believe we have done the degree to which drivers are subsidised argument.

the problem with this argument is that they only place you are actually right is in your head.

If it worked any other way, then it would be 97% of miles cycled, and 3% of them driven....maybe true in some obscure 3rd world country, but never in the 1st world...or even the 2nd.

Enjoy cycling and commute if doable, but don't try and make it out to be something which everyone wants to do or is indeed capable of, or even the best solution for the task.

If I had a pound for every time I heard the statement of how dangerous motorcycles are I'd be minted now. whilst I also enjoy riding a motorbike and do consier them to be vastly better/quicker as a single user vehicle for commuting anything over 3 or 4 miles than cars, buses, cycles etc, I accept that they aren't for everyone, and are crap in poor weather.

Those rose tinted specs are getting well passed around now Adrian.

 

[User482]

If it worked any other way, then it would be 97% of miles cycled, and 3% of them driven....maybe true in some obscure 3rd world country, but never in the 1st world...or even the 2nd.

So you see a high percentage of people driving as progress?

 

[theclaud]

So you see a high percentage of people driving as progress?

We need to get more and bigger divans. My case is reclining big-time, with a very large gin & tonic.

 

[srw]

That aside, I believe we have done the degree to which drivers are subsidised argument.

We have over the way. Perhaps we should do it again for the benefit of the usual cafe residents, to give them a taste of the riveting discussions they're missing by not thinking about big issues.

 

[green1]

Said it before and I'll say it again, consumers are paying LESS for transport.

Maybe in the south east of England (or the entire UK as people down there like to call it) but try coming any where north of the central belt of Scotland. Courier surcharges for delivery 'to the Highlands' are now the norm despite the fact I live nowhere near the highlands. Public Transport? Would cost £30 quid to get a return trip on the buses to my folks (plus a 2-3 hour walk each way from the bus stop). Despite the fact I can drive there in 50 minutes

 

[Linford]

So you see a high percentage of people driving as progress?

Henry Ford did, and look what that did for the American economy. the car is arguably the most successful invention in the world. Its adoption far outstrips any other mode of travel where there is disposable income whetehr we like it or not. I do about 4k on the motorbike each summer and about 7k in total ferrying around my family or bits and bobs all year around in the car. It is far more practical than the motorcycle or bicycle even if it is hindered by the other vehicles on the road in even slightly moderate traffic.