jefmcg
Guru
Really? Of course I don't know it as fact. That's the thing with counterfactuals. I didn't think that needed stating.
A cyclists life is cheap again
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Where does the £900K per year figure come from? Is that what G4S charge?
Sorry - fat fingered typing.
jefmcg
Guru
Still, we are doing something right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reported_Road_Casualties_Great_Britain
Deaths have halved this century. That's pretty spectacular. Yes, 1,700 is still way too many, but it's a lot better than 3,400.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reported_Road_Casualties_Great_Britain
Deaths have halved this century. That's pretty spectacular. Yes, 1,700 is still way too many, but it's a lot better than 3,400.
glenn forger
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All the gains are enjoyed by vehicle occupants. The risk has been displaced outside, so walking and cycling rates are depressed, so casualties fall and we think it's a success. It's a joke.
But but ....
People drive to a perceived level of risk. If the road design is changed to lessen the chance of an accident, the numpty driver (with a pre-programmed acceptable level of risk) will simply drive in a more irresponsible manner.
Net result is a shed load of expense and no change in objectively assessed risk.
Nigel-YZ1
Guru
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There's no fear of being caught so people do as they please.
The size of the vehicle and advertising do the rest.
The size of the vehicle and advertising do the rest.
True, but that's a design problem. As @jefmcg pointed out above, if you have a tight right turn where people cut the corner repeatedly, put an island in the middle of the road around the corner. It becomes impossible to cut, and instantly far safer.
Instead the cyclist gets hit by an impatient driver overtaking where the road narrows for the island.
PhilDawson8270
Veteran
How would large goods vehicles, or may be farm vehicles if rural navigate that?
glenn forger
Guest
And during a time when illegal road behaviour has never been more likely to go completely undetected the driver's lack of previous convictions is cited. It must have been his first mistake.
jefmcg
Guru
Then not an island but a raised hump that can be negotiated at a careful speed, but not by a speeding driver running late for work.
I was thinking about a problem I have had commuting. There's a blind bend with a stone wall, and drivers constantly overtake cyclists, I think on the basis that if there was car coming, they could swing back into their own lane, crushing the cyclist against the wall. Even moving to primary or right on the line didn't stop these overtakes. I couldn't see how this could get fixed. For what I assume are other reasons (it was a rat run) the street has now been blocked, and the problem has gone. Now the only problem are pedestrians in the middle of the road
<- just kidding, it's nice now, and the pavements are narrow.https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4...vbBCdN-s1SGQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1?hl=en
Origamist
Legendary Member
There are reasons why the intervention you have proposed is hardly ever deployed on rural A and B roads. I suspect if you thought about it, you would realize why?
Granted. I'm not a road designer, however my larger point is that can't beyond the ability of people who understand / know these things to design safer roads.
PhilDawson8270
Veteran
Depends if it costs less than fixing the issue.
Sad, but I think likely to be a true consideration!
