A lesson from a coach driver...

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

sorry but the op made the choice not to use that particular part of the cycleway thru choice (didn't want to get his bike dirty), which was inconsiderate of other road users and therefore this comes into consideration.

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You should

• keep both hands on the handlebars except when signalling or changing gear
• keep both feet on the pedals
• never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends
• not ride close behind another vehicle
• not carry anything which will affect your balance or may get tangled up with your wheels or chain
• be considerate of other road users, particularly blind and partially sighted pedestrians. Let them know you are there when necessary, for example, by ringing your bell if you have one. It is recommended that a bell be fitted

 

[4F]

Oh come on bromptonfb I am not going to let you get away with that one

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Cycle Lanes. These are marked by a white line (which may be broken) along the carriageway (see Rule 140). Keep within the lane when practicable. When leaving a cycle lane check before pulling out that it is safe to do so and signal your intention clearly to other road users. Use of cycle lanes is not compulsory and will depend on your experience and skills, but they can make your journey safer

 

[addictfreak]

sorry but the op made the choice not to use that particular part of the cycleway thru choice (didn't want to get his bike dirty), which was inconsiderate of other road users and therefore this comes into consideration.

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You should

• keep both hands on the handlebars except when signalling or changing gear
• keep both feet on the pedals
• never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends
• not ride close behind another vehicle
• not carry anything which will affect your balance or may get tangled up with your wheels or chain
• be considerate of other road users, particularly blind and partially sighted pedestrians. Let them know you are there when necessary, for example, by ringing your bell if you have one. It is recommended that a bell be fitted

I dont think its just a case of not wanting to get his bike dirty. I often avoid cycle lanes when they are in that state. Not because of the dirt, but because of all the other crap in there, and the increased chance of punctures.

There is still no excuse for the driver to bully him because he does not agree with mags road position.

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

sorry, but as i and others have said, the cycle lane looks on the camera perfectly useable.

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

how was he bullied?

 

[Cab]

sorry but the op made the choice not to use that particular part of the cycleway thru choice (didn't want to get his bike dirty), which was inconsiderate of other road users and therefore this comes into consideration.

No it doesn't. If someone in front of you is doing something wrong (he wasn't, but lets go with that for the moment) and you then do something that endangers them, then you're still at fault. Being in the wrong place on the road doesn't, even a little bit, make it okay to endanger them. Their safety doesn't become somehow less important because you think they're inconveniencing you.

 

[Cab]

sorry, but as i and others have said, the cycle lane looks on the camera perfectly useable.

Irrelevant.

 

[addictfreak]

how was he bullied?

By pulling in and cutting him up, which by the drivers reaction when mags spoke to him, sounded to me as if it was intentional.

Are you saying the driver was right to react as he did, just because mags was outside the cycle lane?

 

[addictfreak]

sorry, but as i and others have said, the cycle lane looks on the camera perfectly useable.

I hold my hands up to that too, it looked very crappy near the kerb. And would probably have rode just to the left of broken white line.
But I was not there.

 

[4F]

sorry, but as i and others have said, the cycle lane looks on the camera perfectly useable.

I have to say that I actually agree but was not going to let you get away with that earlier comment.

Personally I would have positioned myself in the cycle lane slightly to the left of the white line and if the cycle lane was full of stones / rubbish etc then I would have moved across to the right hand side after first checking over my shoulder.

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

as i see it, he did not pull in or cut him up, he was following the road. cutting him up a second time, i really don't see any movement from the coach. the other cyclist was ok. if anyone was bullying it was the confrontational argument that followed the op demanding from an old man that the coach door be opened. don't get me wrong, a few more feet would have been better.

 

[magnatom]

as i see it, he did not pull in or cut him up, he was following the road. cutting him up a second time, i really don't see any movement from the coach. the other cyclist was ok. if anyone was bullying it was the confrontational argument that followed the op demanding from an old man that the coach door be opened. don't get me wrong, a few more feet would have been better.

Let me ask you this bromtonfb, and please answer it honestly. If the driver was taking a driving test (or the equivalent PSV test) would he pass his test having conducted such a manouver?

Your scraping the barrel with your comment about getting my bike dirty. I can assure you it is already dirty. I have a number of reasons for not using that cycle lane, as mentioned on the video and there are a couple of others, that when I get a chance I will demonstrate with a video.

Now if the driver did not cut me up, why did he reply when confronted with, you should be in the cycle lane'. Is this not a strong indicator of his frame of mind at this point? Had he not cut me up surely his reply would be '...cut you up? No I didn't....'

 

[BentMikey]

I think your reasons for not using that cycle lane are a little weak at best. On the other hand, it's your choice, and you were perfectly legit on being in the road. That also doesn't excuse the coach driver's bad driving and poor attitude.

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

i withdraw the dirty bike comment, i do tend to get drawn into arguments. sorry about that. now the blokes reaction was just typical of most people in fight or flight mode, that is to be confrontational / defensive back. i have not said he was right. it was tight, but, in my honest opinion based on the youtube video; i just think he was fitting thru a gap of you and on coming traffic. just as he nearly passed you the road veered right and there was further on coming traffic. i honestly think it was just a misjudged overtake. to be fair he did leave you room, i.e., you could have moved left to help him out. the second supposed cut up, i honestly cannot see it. please tell me what time shows when this happens. with regards to stopping and demanding with menace that the doors be opened, well tbh with that aggressive attitude, he is not likely to be nice is he?

 

[BentMikey]

If you can excuse the driver's aggressive fight/flight reaction, then why can't you excuse the same reaction from Magnatom after the coach driver risked his life?