A Personal Message to Critical Mass.

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ttcycle

Cycling Excusiast
If what you're saying is that cycling should be normalised - I'm in complete agreement with you there. However, surely there is more that can be done to change attitudes and to get more people on the bike in the first place or those with the bikes languishing in the shed.
 

HJ

Cycling in Scotland
Location
Auld Reekie
 

GrasB

Veteran
Location
Nr Cambridge
That's a very interesting article there HJ & really does get in the mind of 'Average Joe'. It outlines why things like CM ihmo don't really work & turn the perception of cyclists into a less militant version of animal rights activists. This is a bad thing & is something that needs to be avoided at all costs.

OT: One thing that always annoys me about copenhagenize.com is that they seem to have this whole thing about people wearing cycling specific clothing like it's a bad thing. But here's the rub, every cyclist who travels a reasonable distance to work & back I know wears their version of cycling specific clothing, it usually isn't lycra but it certainly won't be the clothes they do their work in.

RT: I wish that people would stop seeing lycra as something linked to competitive cycling & started seeing it in a similar way as they see motorcyclists leathers, clothing to make cycling easier/safer for some people. There's no reason for someone to wear leathers if they don't want but there's also a valid reason to do so if the rider choses.
 

Rhythm Thief

Legendary Member
Location
Ross on Wye
Lycra just makes sense for cycling any distance over five or six miles. Sure, I could do my 12 mile commute in rigger boots and jeans, but why would I when I can wear something comfortable and efficient?

EDIT: Posted before GrasB's edit above. :-)
 

ttcycle

Cycling Excusiast
Rhythm Thief said:
Lycra just makes sense for cycling any distance over five or six miles. Sure, I could do my 12 mile commute in rigger boots and jeans, but why would I when I can wear something comfortable and efficient?

+1

Though I think what's happening is that companies are starting to make more clothing that can be off bike stuff too- apparently.

I wouldn't think that getting people on bikes is simply about appearance though - it's multi factoral though.
 

GrasB

Veteran
Location
Nr Cambridge
Most people I know riding more than 5 miles each way are wearing lycra or track suit type clothes & carry work clothes/shoes in a bag. Get more than 10 miles each way & they're almost exclusively wearing cycling specific clothes, mostly lycra but a few in baggies.

EDIT: ttcycle, I know lots of people are buying MTB baggy shorts/trousers & tops now, while at a casual glance don't look like cycling specific clothes it doesn't take much more than a glance to see the clothes are cycling specific. But does that really matter?
 

al78

Guru
Location
Horsham
Rhythm Thief said:
Lycra just makes sense for cycling any distance over five or six miles. Sure, I could do my 12 mile commute in rigger boots and jeans, but why would I when I can wear something comfortable and efficient?

EDIT: Posted before GrasB's edit above. :-)

My commute is just under 10 miles and I don't bother with Lycra unless it is very wet, in which case wearing clothes that don't feel too uncomfortable when wet and dry out quickly makes sense. I do, nearly all the time, commute in the same clothes I work in, mainly because taking in extra clothes would mean swapping the rack bag for panniers, which I don't want to do for several reasons.

I do have cycling shoes but they are the ones with recessed cleats so they can comfortably double up as ordinary shoes when off the bike (thus no changes of footwear needed).
 

ttcycle

Cycling Excusiast
GrasB said:
Most people I know riding more than 5 miles each way are wearing lycra or track suit type clothes & carry work clothes/shoes in a bag. Get more than 10 miles each way & they're almost exclusively wearing cycling specific clothes, mostly lycra but a few in baggies.

EDIT: ttcycle, I know lots of people are buying MTB baggy shorts/trousers & tops now, while at a casual glance don't look like cycling specific clothes it doesn't take much more than a glance to see the clothes are cycling specific. But does that really matter?

Good point made in your previous edit.

It doesn't matter to me - it's about functionality and comfort isn't it- there's a whole load of stuff floating about that is stealth clothing - not mtb shorts and baggies. My mate who works in the industry has these jeans that are like normal jeans but cycling specific -ie cut for cycling and waterproof. However, a digression sort of..!
 

GrasB

Veteran
Location
Nr Cambridge
al78, if that's you deal then good for you. But what type of job do you have, there's a bit of a difference between someone doing manual work & an office worker requiring a well presented look at the office. Of course there are also jobs in between which may or may not need changes of clothes.
 

MacB

Lover of things that come in 3's
The Copenhagen view also seems to be based around relatively short, within a city, journeys. There're a lot of people that also use their commute as a workout, not really practical if you then need to wear those clothes all day.
 

Rhythm Thief

Legendary Member
Location
Ross on Wye
al78 said:
I do have cycling shoes but they are the ones with recessed cleats so they can comfortably double up as ordinary shoes when off the bike (thus no changes of footwear needed).

I'm stuck with cycling shoes, until some far - sighted individual produces steel toe SPD shoes.
 

al78

Guru
Location
Horsham
GrasB said:
al78, if that's you deal then good for you. But what type of job do you have, there's a bit of a difference between someone doing manual work & an office worker requiring a well presented look at the office. Of course there are also jobs in between which may or may not need changes of clothes.

I work in an office, but one with no dress code.

I just wanted to make the point that even for moderate cycling distances it is perfectly feasible to cycle in ordinary everyday clothing, as opposed to getting fully dressed up in special clothing then having to change.

I feel that if you have to keep lugging clothes about and then change at both ends then you start to increase the faff factor and thus erode the practicalities of utility cycling.
 

chap

Veteran
Location
London, GB
bromptonfb said:
okay, firstly, i am speaking about the worldwide phenomenon known as cm. there is carnage on the roads worldwide and cyclists get killed daily. a quick youtube search fetches up loads of helmet cam incidents and only a very small percentage of cyclists wear them. when was the last time you saw a child cycling manchester city centre? why not? because any sensible parent would not let there child cycle in a busy centre. is this right? should a child be safe cycling on any city roads? should the elderly be safe on roads? yes they should! why should a group of cyclists not have the right to 'protest'? because we don't pay ved or smell? what about religious parades? what about funeral car processions? what about when the wagons were stopping the country? oh but that was ok as it was supported by motons. why is the cm a nuisance? i was not criticising club runs, i was asking why is that group of regular cyclists ok but the cm, another group of cyclists, is not? why was the blenheim palace outing ok but cm is not? why do people call cm particitents stupid smelly hippy druggy crazy loons. i'm not and tbh i have never seen anything of that ilk on any cm i have been on nor have i seen any on youtube videos of worldwide cm's. the cm's i have been on have not gone round and round a compact city centre. i usually follows an outward spiral and visits many parts of the outer city districts i would never have seen without cm. i see children with parents on cm, where are they when not in the cm? where is the dog in bakfiets when not on cm?


Agreed, the roads could and should be a lot better and safer for cyclists, so what have CM actually achieved in the plight to improve this?

People refer to the unsavoury characters because they appear not only the vocal part of the group but the crux of it, the ride by definition is anarchic, set normally during rush hours, with no intent. A key aspect of it is corking (getting somebody to stand in front of cars so that the procession can pass at leisure), regardless of the status of the traffic lights - and we all know how crazy people go to get their turn when the lights are changing in their favour during rush hour. In effect, you are not only undermining the cities paid traffic controllers, but the rules of fair play on the roads as well.

The good old Christian adage of 'treat others as you would wish to be treated' goes a long way, and in itself could disarm the Critical Mass argument.

The dogs in Bakifets, the mock eccentric chaps on Penny Farthings, and the recumbent racers alongside families, predominantly on mountain bikes, are seen at other events. There are several organised rides such as the Skyride, the Tweed run held across the country. These are done in such a way that they can run smoothly without disrupting others. Yes, I know that the dominance of the motorcar encroaches upon our personal space, lowers our standard of living, and reduces daily communication between individuals in shared spaces and thus hampers communities, but again, how does CM challenge this?

Best, invest your time and money in a movement that actually has a purpose. The CM by definition, to circumvent various rulings, plays the coy approach, much like swingers advertising personal parties (albeit paid), and brothels advertising the services of a masseuse, there is an unspoken yet plainly obvious intention behind it; very few drug dealers would readily concede if you approached them on the street and asked if they sold drugs. In spite of these extreme examples, the prevailing intention of CM is to have an orgiastic bash at the expense of the petrol-burners. By cycling in a mob and holding up traffic, you are showing your lack of regard towards your fellow citizens who you hold back with an intentionally slow procession of cyclists, without a fixed route nor 'agenda'. You are reducing yourself to a level below that of the average inconsiderate driver, and contradicting claims about the bicycle being a more civil form of transport. It is merely primitive 'us vs them', urban clans getting one up over the other in a myopic battle whose ultimate purpose is lost right at the offset. What is the war about?

If a similar ride were organised, say on Saturday mornings across the Thames paths, and other quiet places, then this would encourage the families you desire to join. Especially, if a community spirit was envoked, in getting people to discover their surroundings by bike.

Fortunately for you, my friend, this does exist and has for over a century, the CTC is an organisation that operates under the pretext of improving the conditions and lives of cyclists, they have national branches which organise regular rides. In London, the London Cycle Campaign do the same, similarly this organisation operates under the pretext of improving the cycleability of the city. Volunteers run regular cycles, and they seem a welcoming bunch.

If you really want bakifiets, you can get involved and probably organise a market day ride, in which fellow cargo cyclists can flit from one market to the other (markets are some of the best treasures of London, and make eating good quality produce much more affordable than most other parts of the country.) I believe the CTC rides are run by volunteers as well.

These regular rides will introduce you to a diverse range of people, interested in cycling and its advancement (to varying degrees), thus will put you in better stead to improve the conditions for your fellow countrymen. All this for an annual charge of £30 - £35 on membership with these organisations, and you get magazines and 3rd party insurance as well.

Unfortunately, many of these organisations can be rather stagnant on the campaigning front, perhaps you are the spark required to civilise Manchester.
 
Oh what utter nonsense Chap. What good would a Saturday afternoon ride on the Thames path do for the hundreds of us who cycle in rush hour twice a day? CM says to people "Cyclists are traffic too" - we have a right to be on the road, and to be safe on the road. The anger that sometimes erupts is a function of how cyclists' everyday experience is one of inconsiderate, dangerous, and at times deliberately threatening, driving.

Bloody namby-pamby "don't annoy anyone and then they'll take notice of us, let's be better than them and then at least we'll be on the moral high ground, even as we're under their wheels" - that's really going to work, isn't it?

CM invites people to contemplate a life and a city with fewer cars once a month. Some people get irate, on both sides, but it is generally a life-affirming event, which changes our cityscape for the good and gets a positive message across. There are drivers who will never get it, but we're never going to reach everyone.
 
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