dantheman
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Im assuming that the driver did stop!
hope the cyclist was okay,
hope the cyclist was okay,
..and then he hit him..
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dantheman
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Most 4x4's Are Just Like Most Mtb's - Ie Theyre Built For A Use That They'll Never Get Used For - Oh Yeah But I Forgot, Just Like Dual Suspension- It's Wickid Innit!
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I don't know what happened so all I will add is this.
A big, heavy motor vehicle, 4x4 or not, will take some time to come to a stop after the brakes have been applied even in an emergency. At legal road speeds that can still take a second or two and that is more then enough time to sound the horn.
I nearly always sound the horn when making an emergency stop in the car as an audiable warning, I do it without thinking about it most times.
The motor vehicle may have been speeding or driving inappropriately in some other way, or it could have been driven completely legally and safely.
The cyclist could have been swerving to avoid something, darting out to avoid slow moving traffic ahead or just riding safely and legally.
We don't know if the motor vehicle drove into the cyclist or the cyclist swerved in front of the motor vehicle.
It isn't always cylist right motorist wrong, though it could have been, especially when we don't know the facts. The only known fact is that the cyclist will have a higher risk of being injured after a collision with a motor vehicle regardless of fault.
I hope the cyclist isn't badly hurt.
A big, heavy motor vehicle, 4x4 or not, will take some time to come to a stop after the brakes have been applied even in an emergency. At legal road speeds that can still take a second or two and that is more then enough time to sound the horn.
I nearly always sound the horn when making an emergency stop in the car as an audiable warning, I do it without thinking about it most times.
The motor vehicle may have been speeding or driving inappropriately in some other way, or it could have been driven completely legally and safely.
The cyclist could have been swerving to avoid something, darting out to avoid slow moving traffic ahead or just riding safely and legally.
We don't know if the motor vehicle drove into the cyclist or the cyclist swerved in front of the motor vehicle.
It isn't always cylist right motorist wrong, though it could have been, especially when we don't know the facts. The only known fact is that the cyclist will have a higher risk of being injured after a collision with a motor vehicle regardless of fault.
I hope the cyclist isn't badly hurt.
I usually think when driving that if there's time to sound the horn then it's not an emergency stop, which I think the earlier posters referred to
It seems that cars like this are involved in a disproportionate amount of accidents
it's such a stupid and expensive car that one might think a stupid and special sort of person might buy and drive it
stupidly
amazingly that even within that special group there's a colour
bet it had tinted windows too
It seems that cars like this are involved in a disproportionate amount of accidents
it's such a stupid and expensive car that one might think a stupid and special sort of person might buy and drive it
stupidly
amazingly that even within that special group there's a colour
bet it had tinted windows too
CopperBrompton
Bicycle: a means of transport between cake-stops
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Not true at all: in an emergency stop, my hand would instinctively go for the horn at the same time as my foot went for the brake.Tynan said:
Ben
If your horn is the centre of your steeringwheel, then yes, perhaps you are able to do so.
my car's horn is on the end of the indicator stalk, being able to find this in a situation such as an emergency stop is kind of hard
but then again, i'm normally changing down gears to aid the stop as i've found, through trial that i can shorten my 40mph stopping distance by five meters by changing down from third to second to assist the brakes
nb. my car was built at a time when people were taught to control speed with the gears, using brakes to assist.
my car's horn is on the end of the indicator stalk, being able to find this in a situation such as an emergency stop is kind of hard
but then again, i'm normally changing down gears to aid the stop as i've found, through trial that i can shorten my 40mph stopping distance by five meters by changing down from third to second to assist the brakes
nb. my car was built at a time when people were taught to control speed with the gears, using brakes to assist.
CopperBrompton
Bicycle: a means of transport between cake-stops
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Two. The first on my driving test, the second 11 years ago when a football bounced out into the road. My car was stationary (and the horn sounding) before the child ran out after it.User said:
I do, however, carry out periodic practices for a range of emergencies precisely so that things are instinctive in the real situation.
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asterix
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Thanks for all the opinions on this.
First, I was pleased to see that the cyclist was being looked after by the numerous shoppers who witnessed the incident and had been lent a coat and chair. I suspect an ambulance was on its way. The off duty policeman was taking the matter very seriously and writing down information from several witnesses. The driver had very little communication with cyclist afterwards and stood apart from the group with his hands in his pockets. The cyclist seemed to be trying to show he was ok but was obviously at least heavily grazed and shaken.
I have not contacted the police as my attention was drawn by the horn, immediately after which I saw the impact so I don't know how the thing started. It didn't look to me as if the vehicle braked until the impact but with a quick glance at 75 metres it's hard to be sure. No doubt marks on the road will reveal heavy braking if any. The use of horn just before impact still doesn't make sense to me, maybe if I'd seen the whole thing it would do.
Nevertheless, it seems to me that if the guy had rear-ended another car like that it would be his fault, end of story.
First, I was pleased to see that the cyclist was being looked after by the numerous shoppers who witnessed the incident and had been lent a coat and chair. I suspect an ambulance was on its way. The off duty policeman was taking the matter very seriously and writing down information from several witnesses. The driver had very little communication with cyclist afterwards and stood apart from the group with his hands in his pockets. The cyclist seemed to be trying to show he was ok but was obviously at least heavily grazed and shaken.
I have not contacted the police as my attention was drawn by the horn, immediately after which I saw the impact so I don't know how the thing started. It didn't look to me as if the vehicle braked until the impact but with a quick glance at 75 metres it's hard to be sure. No doubt marks on the road will reveal heavy braking if any. The use of horn just before impact still doesn't make sense to me, maybe if I'd seen the whole thing it would do.
Nevertheless, it seems to me that if the guy had rear-ended another car like that it would be his fault, end of story.
andyfromotley
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With this being harrogate where people really are frightfully nice, i suspect he was covered with a picnic blanket and immediately given a scone and an infusion of tea from bettys.
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