Android file transfer query

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mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
I wondered if I was making some basic dumb mistake...looks like I'm not. It's just...odd.
I don't think so. I think the ability to make an Android device appear as a mass storage device (like a memory stick) was removed some time around version 4.0 (Kitk***) leaving only Media Transfer Protocol... and it seems to vary between phones whether you can transfer arbitrary files and often you only get access to the DCIM folder.

This all feels like part of the push to make us humble Media Consumers and try to discourage people from using the devices for things that the manufacturers didn't expect. Never mind that it tends to be incredibly wasteful with the same files getting stored two or three times on the device. (I don't think this is an improvement - can you tell? :laugh: )
 
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albion

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Jenkins

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Are you using the correct USB lead - I had a similar problem with my Moto G4 but changing to a different lead had everything showing up on the PC for file transfer.

I had so many USB leads lying around that I have no idea whether either of the ones I used was the one supplied with the phone! Aren't some of the cheap ones charge only?
 

rualexander

Legendary Member
My Moto e (2nd gen) phone and my Sony Xperia tablet (both running Android 6.0) can both be connected to pc and all kinds of files moved back and fore no problem.
 

Ian H

Ancient randonneur
Mine, a Moto G with Android 7, offers four options when USB connected: charge/transfer files/transfer photos/use as MIDI. The second shows all the folders I'm likely to need.

Yes, I have emailed pics to myself. Sometimes it's simpler.
 
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I genuinely began to wonder whether I had wandered into a piss take and I was missing the joke. Sorry if I seemed terse but my reaction was genuine.

You can have a very good experience of Android if you adopt the infrastructure. This is why I thought it an odd notion to want to transfer files from a PC down a cable or via additional gadgets. The only time I find a need to attach my Android devices to a PC is when I am flashing the ROM for some reason (or when I can't find a charger).

These are the basics of how I set Android users up initially if they ask for help but it's their business but at the end of the day; the choice is theirs and if cables and wotnot are preferred so be it:

For starters I'll assume there is a working Google account on the phone. Believe it or not, more than once I have helped people who don't have a Google account having clicked "Skip" through all the setup screens. One person I know had each of Samsung's Galaxy S3, S3, S5 and S6 before getting one - they'd never installed a single app on any of them! Anyway...

On the phone:

1) If not already installed, install the apps: Drive, Photos and Play Music (all of them in the Play Store and published by Google). Other nifty things are available too like Google Keep for example which is for taking quick notes.

2) In the photo's app, turn on the setting to "Show Google Drive in your photos". Note that there is an option in the photo's app to free up space; this means that the copies of the photo's that are on the phone, that you took with its camera, are removed from the phone to free up space. You can still see them in the app, they're in "the cloud". If you do the steps below they'll be on your PC too.

3) Note that in Drive app you can opt to have any document available offline; that's the equivalent of downloading it to the phone with the advantage that you can still edit it anywhere and have it synchronised.

4) Just like the Drive app, you can download music in the Play Music app for playing offline, this applies even if you have no music subscription (see [4] in the next list)

On the PC (I assume Windows, I never used an Apple Mac, my own PC is Linux and works pretty much the same):

1) Get Chrome browser (I might be flamed but we're talking about the Google infrastructure so it's not an unreasonable step and it just works nice, especially for Google's Web Apps)

2) Install the Google Drive desktop app and get it set up (you need your login details). Any files that are in your Google drive are sync'd into a folder on your PC and vice versa. You never need to upload anything via a wire again, just save it on any device and it's there on all the others automagically. If you're on a Linux PC then you'll need third party alternatives (Insync is good but not free).

3) You can use Google Drive online (via Chrome) to create and edit documents, spreadsheets & slideshows or use the equivalent apps on the phone.

4) Install the Google Music Manager desktop app and set it up. This app uploads all of the music you own, the music stored in My Music on the PC, and makes it available via Google Play Music on the phone. In the phone app you can choose to stream your music or download it for playing offline; until you make it available offline it is not using any storage on the phone. This is all free (barring any network data costs, but you'll be using WiFi!) If new music arrives in the music folder of the PC, the desktop application will automatically sync it to your phone's library for you.

5) You can look at your photo's in the online photo's app of Google via a browser and you can also opt to have your Google Photos appear as a folder in your Google Drive and so sync'd to the PC as well (see [2]).

6) There's a "Keep" web app that can live on your Desktop too, if you install the Keep app on the phone. Contacts you can see in the Inbox or Gmail apps in a browser or in the Contacts app on the phone.

Ah, well.. Maybe I'm just drinking the Google Kool-Aid
 
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I genuinely began to wonder whether I had wandered into a piss take and I was missing the joke. Sorry if I seemed terse but my reaction was genuine.

You can have a very good experience of Android if you adopt the infrastructure. This is why I thought it an odd notion to want to transfer files from a PC down a cable or via additional gadgets. The only time I find a need to attach my Android devices to a PC is when I am flashing the ROM for some reason (or when I can't find a charger).

These are the basics of how I set Android users up initially if they ask for help but it's their business but at the end of the day; the choice is theirs and if cables and wotnot are preferred so be it:

For starters I'll assume there is a working Google account on the phone. Believe it or not, more than once I have helped people who don't have a Google account having clicked "Skip" through all the setup screens. One person I know had each of Samsung's Galaxy S3, S3, S5 and S6 before getting one - they'd never installed a single app on any of them! Anyway...

On the phone:

1) If not already installed, install the apps: Drive, Photos and Play Music (all of them in the Play Store and published by Google). Other nifty things are available too like Google Keep for example which is for taking quick notes.

2) In the photo's app, turn on the setting to "Show Google Drive in your photos". Note that there is an option in the photo's app to free up space; this means that the copies of the photo's that are on the phone, that you took with its camera, are removed from the phone to free up space. You can still see them in the app, they're in "the cloud". If you do the steps below they'll be on your PC too.

3) Note that in Drive app you can opt to have any document available offline; that's the equivalent of downloading it to the phone with the advantage that you can still edit it anywhere and have it synchronised.

4) Just like the Drive app, you can download music in the Play Music app for playing offline, this applies even if you have no music subscription (see [4] in the next list)

On the PC (I assume Windows, I never used an Apple Mac, my own PC is Linux and works pretty much the same):

1) Get Chrome browser (I might be flamed but we're talking about the Google infrastructure so it's not an unreasonable step and it just works nice, especially for Google's Web Apps)

2) Install the Google Drive desktop app and get it set up (you need your login details). Any files that are in your Google drive are sync'd into a folder on your PC and vice versa. You never need to upload anything via a wire again, just save it on any device and it's there on all the others automagically. If you're on a Linux PC then you'll need third party alternatives (Insync is good but not free).

3) You can use Google Drive online (via Chrome) to create and edit documents, spreadsheets & slideshows or use the equivalent apps on the phone.

4) Install the Google Music Manager desktop app and set it up. This app uploads all of the music you own, the music stored in My Music on the PC, and makes it available via Google Play Music on the phone. In the phone app you can choose to stream your music or download it for playing offline; until you make it available offline it is not using any storage on the phone. This is all free (barring any network data costs, but you'll be using WiFi!) If new music arrives in the music folder of the PC, the desktop application will automatically sync it to your phone's library for you.

5) You can look at your photo's in the online photo's app of Google via a browser and you can also opt to have your Google Photos appear as a folder in your Google Drive and so sync'd to the PC as well (see [2]).

6) There's a "Keep" web app that can live on your Desktop too, if you install the Keep app on the phone. Contacts you can see in the Inbox or Gmail apps in a browser or in the Contacts app on the phone.

Ah, well.. Maybe I'm just drinking the Google Kool-Aid
Thanks - that's really helpful. In the near future I shall make myself a nice cup of tea, sit down, and do this. I've been meaning to do this kind of thing for quite a while, but never had such a clear set of step by step instructions. FWIW the main reason I transfer files via cable is simply volume - transferring 15Gb of music via bluetooth, eg, could be a bit of a faff.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
You can have a very good experience of Android if you adopt the infrastructure. position and grease up.
Fixed that for you.

1) If not already installed, install the apps: Drive, Photos and Play Music (all of them in the Play Store and published by Google). Other nifty things are available too like Google Keep for example which is for taking quick notes.
Nextcloud is what I use instead of Drive - photos can be sent there automatically or shared to it individually. Quick notes go in Writely or LesserPad, which then get shared to the 'cloud. I'm not sure why I'd want Google Photos or Play Music.

Ah, well.. Maybe I'm just drinking the Google Kool-Aid
Yeah. It doesn't seem like you're doing anything particularly unusual and just letting all your base are belong to Google merely to avoid setting up your own storage server (for Nextcloud or similar).

Also, despite the above, people sometimes want to copy one file quickly to/from another device in an ad-hoc peer-to-peer way without logging the other device into their cloud account or connecting it to the internet and I don't think those instructions give a way to do that, but maybe I ignore some capability in one of those apps you mention?
 
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Fixed that for you.


Nextcloud is what I use instead of Drive - photos can be sent there automatically or shared to it individually. Quick notes go in Writely or LesserPad, which then get shared to the 'cloud. I'm not sure why I'd want Google Photos or Play Music.


Yeah. It doesn't seem like you're doing anything particularly unusual and just letting all your base are belong to Google merely to avoid setting up your own storage server (for Nextcloud or similar).

Also, despite the above, people sometimes want to copy one file quickly to/from another device in an ad-hoc peer-to-peer way without logging the other device into their cloud account or connecting it to the internet and I don't think those instructions give a way to do that, but maybe I ignore some capability in one of those apps you mention?
This is why I thought it important to determine the requirement first. Turns out this is not one of those times
 
I genuinely began to wonder whether I had wandered into a piss take and I was missing the joke. Sorry if I seemed terse but my reaction was genuine.

You can have a very good experience of Android if you adopt the infrastructure. This is why I thought it an odd notion to want to transfer files from a PC down a cable or via additional gadgets. The only time I find a need to attach my Android devices to a PC is when I am flashing the ROM for some reason (or when I can't find a charger).

These are the basics of how I set Android users up initially if they ask for help but it's their business but at the end of the day; the choice is theirs and if cables and wotnot are preferred so be it:

For starters I'll assume there is a working Google account on the phone. Believe it or not, more than once I have helped people who don't have a Google account having clicked "Skip" through all the setup screens. One person I know had each of Samsung's Galaxy S3, S3, S5 and S6 before getting one - they'd never installed a single app on any of them! Anyway...

On the phone:

1) If not already installed, install the apps: Drive, Photos and Play Music (all of them in the Play Store and published by Google). Other nifty things are available too like Google Keep for example which is for taking quick notes.

2) In the photo's app, turn on the setting to "Show Google Drive in your photos". Note that there is an option in the photo's app to free up space; this means that the copies of the photo's that are on the phone, that you took with its camera, are removed from the phone to free up space. You can still see them in the app, they're in "the cloud". If you do the steps below they'll be on your PC too.

3) Note that in Drive app you can opt to have any document available offline; that's the equivalent of downloading it to the phone with the advantage that you can still edit it anywhere and have it synchronised.

4) Just like the Drive app, you can download music in the Play Music app for playing offline, this applies even if you have no music subscription (see [4] in the next list)

On the PC (I assume Windows, I never used an Apple Mac, my own PC is Linux and works pretty much the same):

1) Get Chrome browser (I might be flamed but we're talking about the Google infrastructure so it's not an unreasonable step and it just works nice, especially for Google's Web Apps)

2) Install the Google Drive desktop app and get it set up (you need your login details). Any files that are in your Google drive are sync'd into a folder on your PC and vice versa. You never need to upload anything via a wire again, just save it on any device and it's there on all the others automagically. If you're on a Linux PC then you'll need third party alternatives (Insync is good but not free).

3) You can use Google Drive online (via Chrome) to create and edit documents, spreadsheets & slideshows or use the equivalent apps on the phone.

4) Install the Google Music Manager desktop app and set it up. This app uploads all of the music you own, the music stored in My Music on the PC, and makes it available via Google Play Music on the phone. In the phone app you can choose to stream your music or download it for playing offline; until you make it available offline it is not using any storage on the phone. This is all free (barring any network data costs, but you'll be using WiFi!) If new music arrives in the music folder of the PC, the desktop application will automatically sync it to your phone's library for you.

5) You can look at your photo's in the online photo's app of Google via a browser and you can also opt to have your Google Photos appear as a folder in your Google Drive and so sync'd to the PC as well (see [2]).

6) There's a "Keep" web app that can live on your Desktop too, if you install the Keep app on the phone. Contacts you can see in the Inbox or Gmail apps in a browser or in the Contacts app on the phone.

Ah, well.. Maybe I'm just drinking the Google Kool-Aid
Eventually Skynet will wipe us all out and those using all of it's services will be top of the list.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
This is why I thought it important to determine the requirement first. Turns out this is not one of those times
What do you think the requirement is? Isn't the experience of "transferring 15Gb of music" to Drive and then back to the phone going to be rather disappointing to someone used to direct cable connection, too?
 

classic33

Leg End Member
What do you think the requirement is? Isn't the experience of "transferring 15Gb of music" to Drive and then back to the phone going to be rather disappointing to someone used to direct cable connection, too?
No moreso than the solutions offered by yourself.

@MossCommuter did give the fullest answer on here though.
 

albion

Guru
'You can have a very good experience of Android if you adopt the infrastructure'

They, all of them, keep moving the goalposts of this so called infrastructure.
 
Thanks - that's really helpful. In the near future I shall make myself a nice cup of tea, sit down, and do this.
Make that a pot of tea, at least, because you want to make sure you have time to read all the terms of service, eg

"When you upload, submit, store, send or receive content to or through our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that your content works better with our Services), communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content. "
 
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