another F@@@ S@@@ CRAP moment
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DCLane
Found in the Yorkshire hills ...
- Location
- Dewsbury, West Yorkshire
They were signalling left as you came up to them = your fault I'm afraid.
Hip Priest
Veteran
No it doesn't. Filtering isn't black & white. We need to use our discretion. Sometimes we get it wrong. Putting yourself in the blind spot of a moving left-indicating vehicle is getting it wrong, in my opinion.
Andy_R
Hard of hearing..I said Herd of Herring..oh FFS..
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- County Durham
Sooo many things wrong here, and for once it's not the driver at fault. 1- trying to filter past a bus that you don't know when it's going to pull away. Overtake properly, in primary so the bus driver has a chance to see you. 2 - Continuing to attempt to filter when the driver is indicating that he/she is about to turn left and you are in his/her blind spot. Drop back a little (extending your commute by 2-3 seconds in a situation like this is going to extend your life by a good few decades and maybe eventually give you a chance to tell your grandchildren how to be patient.) 3 - listen to advice and take onboard constructive criticism. You were in the wrong in this instance. You clearly weren't fully aware of your surroundings otherwise you would have seen the "firefly" on the driver's wing mirror flashing away like a flashy thing. Be careful and stay safe
I think I would not have gone for that gap!
Therefore I would not have posted this thread unless I was following you - and the thread would 'of' been very different.
ps - I don't have a camera but am starting to notice a lot more motorcyclists that do.... and they really do need them!
Therefore I would not have posted this thread unless I was following you - and the thread would 'of' been very different.
ps - I don't have a camera but am starting to notice a lot more motorcyclists that do.... and they really do need them!
Cycling Dan
Cycle Crazy
Im on the fence somewhat.
Myself I most likely would have filtered, although I would have braked and moved behind the car once I noticed the indicator to come on. IMO there was enough room to filter.
Although some talk of the blind spot but I don't think you were in it. You can see the glass of the mirror so likely hood is the driver can see you. I doubt the driver looked so that's a contributing factor.
Although at 0:16 even on first watch it became clear what was going to happen and you should have braked to take yourself out of the situation. Continuing was only going to make it worse and it was clear the driver didn't know you were there, i think because they didn't look.
My look on it away.
Myself I most likely would have filtered, although I would have braked and moved behind the car once I noticed the indicator to come on. IMO there was enough room to filter.
Although some talk of the blind spot but I don't think you were in it. You can see the glass of the mirror so likely hood is the driver can see you. I doubt the driver looked so that's a contributing factor.
Although at 0:16 even on first watch it became clear what was going to happen and you should have braked to take yourself out of the situation. Continuing was only going to make it worse and it was clear the driver didn't know you were there, i think because they didn't look.
My look on it away.
400bhp
Guru
Cycling Dan
Cycle Crazy
On the most part its true. Thats why i said likely hood. Clearly you can be out of the view of the mirror the way its curved but in this instance I wouldn't think he was in the blind spot. Going off the image I would say he was in the mirrors sight at around 0:15-16 when one would look.
On the most part its true. Thats why i said likely hood. Clearly you can be out of the view of the mirror the way its curved but in this instance I wouldn't think he was in the blind spot. Going off the image I would say he was in the mirrors sight at around 0:15-16 when one would look.
Speaking of blind spots, I wouldn't have been that close to the bus. The blind spot on a bus is huge. They haven't got the extra mirrors that HGVs have and are almost as long.
Surely the decision to filter has nothing to do with whether the driver should be able to see you or not. If you choose to filter in that situation you're gambling (with your life) that the driver will look in his mirror. Better to assume that he won't notice you and act appropriately surely?
I'm a driver and I cannot put my hand on my heart and say that I'm infallible (can anyone?), people make mistakes all the time.
If I'm the one likely to be paying the price (regardless of who's fault it is) then I choose not to risk my well-being by gambling that the driver will get it right.
I'm a driver and I cannot put my hand on my heart and say that I'm infallible (can anyone?), people make mistakes all the time.
If I'm the one likely to be paying the price (regardless of who's fault it is) then I choose not to risk my well-being by gambling that the driver will get it right.
MrJamie
Oaf on a Bike
I don't think starting filtering is a bad choice there, but it always puts you in a sort of no-mans land out of the traffic flow where IMHO it isn't safe to expect to be seen. You need to be hyper aware of turnings and possible car movements, and in this case the car driver seems to have given plenty of notice by indicating early enough.
addictfreak
Guru
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- Boldon, Tyne and Wear
Its simple really, if a vehcle is signaling left then stay away from his nearside until his intention is clear. There would be alot of cyclists alive today if they followed that rule.
Sad, but true.
Seriously mate, you undertook a left signalling car and squeezed up between it and the bus, in the car's blind spot. You should have dropped behind the car and took primary position in the 2nd lane to overtake the bus. I know you may feel that everyone is jumping down your throat right now, but you need to look at this video again and realise what you did wrong. Please do not mistake this for riding assertively; taking primary position behind the car as you overtake the bus would have been riding assertively. You may have also put yourself in the blind spot of the bus driver. Quite frankly, you're lucky you got away with that. but we all make mistakes, there is not one person on here that hasn't at some time. Watch the video again, learn from it, take a deep breath (phew!) and move on.
the bottom line is, whether he was indicating or not, you undertook him and squeezed between him and the bus. it was a risky move and you almost didn't make it. if he had hit you, and killed you, i doubt the police would prosecute him if they saw that video. you're only supposed to filter when it's safe to do so.
the bottom line is, whether he was indicating or not, you undertook him and squeezed between him and the bus. it was a risky move and you almost didn't make it. if he had hit you, and killed you, i doubt the police would prosecute him if they saw that video. you're only supposed to filter when it's safe to do so.
CopperCyclist
Veteran
Don't filter past vehicles when there's a turning on the side you are filtering, unless they are stationary, and even then take care.
You wouldn't have lost much speed or momentum to simply match the speed of the car whilst keeping behind it, even if it slows. Once it's cleared the hazard, if safe filter then. It doesn't hold you up, and it keeps you safe.
You wouldn't have lost much speed or momentum to simply match the speed of the car whilst keeping behind it, even if it slows. Once it's cleared the hazard, if safe filter then. It doesn't hold you up, and it keeps you safe.
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